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  • Paris climate change conference and what it means

    What do you think about this "agreement" reached in Paris?

    Personally, for the US I think it's terrible. Leaving aside for the moment that I doubt it will have any measurable effect on climate, the agreement does:

    Force the US and other developed nations to transfer massive wealth to developing nations to assist them in coping with climate change. Yes, it is a wealth redistribution program of the sort the Progressive Left loves so much.

    It is largely unenforceable and very unlikely to gain treaty status with the US as Congress is all but unlikely to ratify it as an actual treaty. That leaves Obama with little he can do to enact most of it.

    Carbon trading and forcing "green" energy will cost trillions contrary to claims by proponents it will invigorate economic growth. The historical track record of "green" energy now decades long, is that it is expensive, doesn't work, causes environmental problems of its own, and hurts both economies and individual people.

    The treaty ignores all solutions outside those the Progressives running the conference prefer.

    Overall, it is an unmitigated disaster that will wreck economies, wreck people's lives, and do nothing to accomplish its intended goals. If fully enacted, it will be forgotten in 15 to 20 years when its disastrous results are fully realized by those who made it as if they had nothing to do with its inception.

    Remember the Hole in the Ozone Layer? The same bunch of scientists and politicians that fought to "fix" that problem aren't saying much about it today because their supposed fix did nothing to change its existence which is pretty much the same now as it was when they were clamoring for a fix even though they claimed that by now it would have disappeared...

    This is the same thing from the same bunch of knuckleheads repackaged on a new topic and just as useless.

    A couple of photos too...

    WTF is "Climate Justice?" That has to be an ultimate oxymoron...



    And here we have the Progressives calling for wealth redistribution...


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    The part that got to me was how China gets itself classed as a "developing nation" and thus entitled to mega-bucks worth of aid money from the US.
    Trump would never stand for that crap.
    This lunacy aimed against the US economy needs to be turned around at the rest of the world. VW can't sell cars here because our standards are already so over-the-top. I say that we enact no part of this "treaty" at all until the entire rest of the world is at our own standards for pollution reduction, period.
    "Why is the Rum gone?"

    -Captain Jack

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    • #3
      "How US negotiators ensured landmark Paris climate deal was [Constitution]-proof"...
      At 11.30pm Paris time, a small group of White House officials dashed into a temporary plywood hut in the exhibition hall where, a few hours earlier, a historic legal agreement to cut emissions causing climate change was secured. They were just in time to catch a live feed of Barack Obama declaring “a turning point for the world”.

      These were the officials who helped set the US negotiating position for the talks – or, perhaps more accurately, helped craft the deal according to US specifications in order to insulate Obama and the agreement from attacks.

      [...]

      But as administration officials pointed out after the deal was done, the agreement reached in Paris was constructed with a view to making it safe from Republican attacks – which was one reason negotiations were so difficult.

      [...]

      Under US insistence, the 31-page agreement was explicitly crafted to exclude emissions reductions targets and finance from the legally binding parts of the deal. Other areas of the deal, including five-year review cycles, do carry legal force. That would free Obama from having to submit the deal to Congress.

      The other exclusion zone was any clause in the agreement that would expose the US to liability and compensation claims for causing climate change.

      [...]

      http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...ns-environment

      Maobama's desire to Republican-proof this treaty essentially makes it null and void. It is not a treaty; therefore none of its provisions can be legally binding.
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      • #4
        So in other words a treaty that isn't worth the paper it's printed on, which will have no weight and no one will follow it? For once Obama's desire to water down a treaty to the point of irrelevance just so he can get it signed and be seen as doing "something" might have paid off. He can sign all the documents he wants, as long as they have no legal power they're no worse than his usual angry lecturing.
        "Artillery lends dignity to what might otherwise be a vulgar brawl." - Frederick the Great

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        • #5
          All it means is more fleecing of taxpayers in a lot of countries and a lot of money being made by a lot of people all over the world, nothing else!
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          • #6
            Originally posted by frisco17 View Post
            So in other words a treaty that isn't worth the paper it's printed on, which will have no weight and no one will follow it? For once Obama's desire to water down a treaty to the point of irrelevance just so he can get it signed and be seen as doing "something" might have paid off. He can sign all the documents he wants, as long as they have no legal power they're no worse than his usual angry lecturing.
            He can still inflict a lot of regulatory damage on US energy industries and infrastructure and they are using his promises in court to justify the EPA's Clean Power Plan...
            Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
            EPA cites Paris talks in defending climate rule

            Blocking the Obama administration’s climate change rule for power plants would hurt the ongoing climate talks in Paris, federal attorneys argued to an appeals court.

            Justice Department attorneys representing the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) urged the judges not to put a temporary block on the carbon dioxide rule, saying it significantly helps the negotiations toward a global accord on fighting climate change.

            [...]

            http://thehill.com/policy/energy-env...g-climate-rule

            Maobama's Injustice Department is using an unconstitutional effort to usurp the Senate's power to ratify treaties as a justification for it's unconstitutional efforts to enact new laws without congressional approval.

            Unfrackingbelievable... but business as usual for the Maobama Maladministration.


            However, the emission reduction targets and the climate justice promises to Third World dictators are not legally binding.

            Nor can he deliver on his promises to the “Green Climate Fund” without congressional approval.
            Last edited by The Doctor; 15 Dec 15, 12:58.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
              He can still inflict a lot of regulatory damage on US energy industries and infrastructure and they are using his promises in court to justify the EPA's Clean Power Plan...




              However, the emission reduction targets and the climate justice promises to Third World dictators are not legally binding.

              Nor can he deliver on his promises to the “Green Climate Fund” without congressional approval.
              The agreement has no teeth. Do expect more attempts by the Left and the UN in their effort to enact their plans of Agenda 21, a new world order.
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              “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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              • #8
                Until next year when the Republican president throws it out the window and we all get to laugh at the world for actually expecting us to follow through with this nonsense. Just like Kyoto.
                "Artillery lends dignity to what might otherwise be a vulgar brawl." - Frederick the Great

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by frisco17 View Post
                  Until next year when the Republican president throws it out the window and we all get to laugh at the world for actually expecting us to follow through with this nonsense. Just like Kyoto.
                  And, if somehow Shrillary gets elected...?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                    And, if somehow Shrillary gets elected...?
                    Whoa.... good point.

                    THat would put the people in those pictures in charge of this whole thing.
                    Not good.
                    "Why is the Rum gone?"

                    -Captain Jack

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                      And, if somehow Shrillary gets elected...?
                      I try to think happy thoughts and look at history and Hillary's trustworthiness ratings. Helps me sleep at night. I'll jump off that bridge when and if I'm forced to cross it.
                      "Artillery lends dignity to what might otherwise be a vulgar brawl." - Frederick the Great

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                        And, if somehow Shrillary gets elected...?
                        Hillary will do whatever makes her the most money.

                        I think there is more money to be made in not destroying the economy, assuming the appropriate donations to the Clinton foundation are made.
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                        • #13
                          There is no enforcement whatsoever built into this "agreement", so it's really just a piece of "feel good" legislation designed to distract attention from Islamic terrorism.
                          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                          • #14
                            They need to get jobs and do something productive for society. If we lived in a just world most of the people that protest would only be allotted survival rations by the generosity of people who have productive jobs. The banksters and the community organizers are both parasites I don't see any moral high ground on either side.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post
                              Hillary will do whatever makes her the most money.

                              I think there is more money to be made in not destroying the economy, assuming the appropriate donations to the Clinton foundation are made.
                              History shows that despots and dictators tend to loot their economies...

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