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  • Time for a Blue Dog Democrat to enter the Democratic Presidential Race?

    At one time the "Blue Dog Democrat" was a real force in the Democratic party. These Democrats were generally pro military and law enforcement. Moderate on social issues and economic issues.

    In the last several election cycles both the Democratic and Republican parties have been pushed and controlled by the left and right to some extent.

    After the attacks in Paris, Lebanon and California defense issues are likely to be very important in the next U.S. presidential election cycle.

    If Mrs. Clinton is seen as weak on security issues is the way open for an old school "Blue Dog Democrat" to enter the race?

    Are there any "Blue Dog Democrats" left?
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    Updated for the 21st century... except if you are criticizing islam, that scares the $hii+e out of me!

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    One was in the race... Jim Webb dropped out.
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    • #3
      The party has moved too far to the left for that. Economic redistribution and social justice are too important to their reliable voting blocks for them to move on. A blue dog wouldn't play well in the poor, socialist and minority groups that are the democrat's lifeblood. Its possible that after a 2016 loss they might be forced to reevaluate their positions and run one next time but I don't see it happening with the current leaders of the party being who they are.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
        One was in the race... Jim Webb dropped out.
        Two if you count former Republican Lincoln Chaffee.

        If people have convinced themselves that Hillary is some kind of commie pacifist then you guys are in even deeper trouble than I think you are. If the Dems were that far left they wouldn't be plundering the heritage Foundation for (bad) health care policies.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
          One was in the race... Jim Webb dropped out.


          Only decent candidate they had. I would have considered dropping my stance against voting for a Dem/GOP for Mr Webb.
          “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
          “To talk of many things:
          Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
          Of cabbages—and kings—
          And why the sea is boiling hot—
          And whether pigs have wings.”
          ― Lewis Carroll

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          • #6
            The Blue Dog Dems were gunned down not by Liberal Dems but by the GOP. They were Blue Dogs because their states were rather conservative, hence their election. They were lined up and gunned down starting in 2008 and 2010 when their states flipped GOP.

            None of them were replaced by liberal Dems.
            Last edited by Combat Engineer; 05 Dec 15, 09:17.
            “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
            “To talk of many things:
            Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
            Of cabbages—and kings—
            And why the sea is boiling hot—
            And whether pigs have wings.”
            ― Lewis Carroll

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BF69 View Post
              Two if you count former Republican Lincoln Chaffee.

              If people have convinced themselves that Hillary is some kind of commie pacifist then you guys are in even deeper trouble than I think you are. If the Dems were that far left they wouldn't be plundering the heritage Foundation for (bad) health care policies.
              I don't count Rhode Island Red. He was a flaming [email protected] while he was a RINO. Jim Webb is a genuine Blue Dog Democrat.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post


                Only decent candidate they had. I would have considered dropping my stance against voting for a Dem/GOP for Mr Webb.
                I would have crossed over and voted for him in the Texas primary... even though I would have voted against him in the election.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                  The Blue Dog Dems were gunned down not by Liberal Dems but by the GOP. They were Blue Dogs because there states were rather conservative, hence their election. They were lined up and gunned down starting in 2008 and 2010 when their states flipped GOP.

                  None of them were replaced by liberal Dems.
                  They gunned themselves down by remaining Democrats and supporting the Reid-Pelosi regime in Congress.

                  Back in the 1980's and 1990's, several waves of Blue Dog refugees became Republicans (Rick Perry, Phil Gramm, Dick Shelby, Nighthorse Campbell, etc).
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                  • #10
                    Any gun owner who votes democrat is a f-ing idiot.
                    It's really that simple.
                    Vote D, lose your 2nd Amendment rights.
                    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by frisco17 View Post
                      The party has moved too far to the left for that. Economic redistribution and social justice are too important to their reliable voting blocks for them to move on. A blue dog wouldn't play well in the poor, socialist and minority groups that are the democrat's lifeblood. Its possible that after a 2016 loss they might be forced to reevaluate their positions and run one next time but I don't see it happening with the current leaders of the party being who they are.
                      What's going to force the Democrats to change is continuing to lose more and more local and state elections. If the Republicans increase the number of governors and control of state legislatures over where they are now the Democrats are in real trouble.
                      Why? Because it's those bodies that determine voting districts in their states. The Republicans will redraw lines to marginalize Democrats leaving them with even less ability to get into Congress, if not win the Presidency. That leaves them with a few urban states where they have a reliably progressive and large minority vote and little else.

                      For the Republicans it's a matter of reigning in the Right of their party and trying to maintain some semblance of being Centrist. They are capable of doing that if they want. I'm not sure the far more dogmatic Left can manage to let go of their views and allow the Democrats to come back towards the Center so much as one step.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                        For the Republicans it's a matter of reigning in the Right of their party and trying to maintain some semblance of being Centrist. They are capable of doing that if they want. I'm not sure the far more dogmatic Left can manage to let go of their views and allow the Democrats to come back towards the Center so much as one step.
                        The. Republicans tend to run right and the Democrats left in the primaries, then both go to the center for the general election.
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                        Updated for the 21st century... except if you are criticizing islam, that scares the $hii+e out of me!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 17thfabn View Post
                          The. Republicans tend to run right and the Democrats left in the primaries, then both go to the center for the general election.
                          Yes, but that strategy is wearing thin for both parties as evidenced by the mass defection of voters from both to Independents. For example, I see now way the US electorate will buy Shrillary as a moderate. A majority already see her as a liar and fraud. Her changing her tune won't change that.

                          Regardless of what you think about Trump one of his strengths is he says what's on his mind. I think he's reading the public right in that sense. I'd say few people see him as a liar or fraud. Yes, many think he's nuts but that's different from being disbelieved.

                          One of the most likely things to get you not selected for a job or fired from one is lying about your resume and qualifications. Even being seen as a liar in a job interview is almost certainly going to get you passed over. Shrillary is seen as a liar, there's the same problem for her going into the general election.

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