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  • Ongoing Shooting Investigation in San Bernardino

    Told you so.

    This looks so sad and surreal.
    An social services agency for disabled persons in San Bernardino.

    The usual suspects will trot out their usual tripe about 'mental illness', 'guns don't kill..people kill', 'every five year old should carry a firearm' et. etc.

    Around and around.

    Weird, and on the part of Congress and most states legislatures ....gutless.

    A greatly saddened lodestar
    Last edited by GCoyote; 02 Dec 15, 19:47. Reason: Calm things down

  • #2
    Links? Or just more Leftist rambling the same tired old calls to disarm the law abiding.
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    • #3
      http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/02.../?intcmp=hpbt1

      Horrid, don't want to make any political statements.

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      • #4
        Your strawman arguments are interesting.
        But unconvincing.
        This is a horrific crime, but don't you think that it would be useful to gather some facts before reaching the conclusion that people you don't like (NRA) are somehow responsible for a crime you know nothing about?

        I have read that there were 3 shooters confirmed by police.
        That may turn out to be wrong, but it suggests that this is not a typical random shooting and seems more terror related.
        Even so, I would hesitate to call it terror in the absence of some actual facts.
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        • #5
          Is it possible in USA for people with a previous criminal record or known mental issues to legaly buy guns ?
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          • #6
            I was watching this a bit while getting a haircut. The TV said the shooters went in, shot a bunch of people and then left! There are probably over 10 million people in Southern California to be searched looking for these criminals. If they can't find illegals in South California, the odds of finding two or three criminals is not good! What is scaring people there is they don't know where or when these people will strike next.

            Pruitt
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Emtos View Post
              Is it possible in USA for people with a previous criminal record or known mental issues to legally buy guns ?
              No, but you can get around it by buying illegal guns and from private individuals. All a criminal really needs is to find a burglar that found a couple of firearms during a break-in. Buying from street gangs is a high risk transaction, but possible.

              The problem with background checks is they depend on you filling out the form truthfully. If I had mental health problems in the past or was arrested for domestic abuse of a spouse, or was a convicted felon, the system is supposed to catch this. The last few years I have bought guns for many of my near relatives. If one of them gets hard up for cash, they could sell them to anybody. The registration number will be traced back to me, but I have moved since then, so they may well draw a blank. That is, until they check the SSI computers and find where I live now.

              Pruitt
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              • #8
                It appears to have been a terrorist attack...
                Federal law enforcement sources, who requested anonymity because the investigation is active and ongoing, told The Times that the group holding the party, rather than the center, may have been targeted.

                San Bernardino officials said they don't have a motive for the attack.

                Investigators are now searching for a black sport utility vehicle that may have fled from the Waterman Avenue office building. As many as three suspected shooters fled the building after gunfire erupted, according to the sources.


                [...]

                The suspects, she said, are heavily armed and were possibly wearing body armor.

                [...]

                http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...202-story.html



                Possibly up to three gunmen wearing body armor opened fire in a San Bernardino building on Wednesday, wounding or killing as many as 20 people.

                While there was no official confirmation that there was more than one attacker, authorities did say they had reports a trio of heavily armed men had escaped from the grisly scene.

                Riverside police dispatchers broadcast a general advisory that the suspects involved in the shootings in San Bernardino may have fled in a black GMC Yukon, heading northbound on Waterman Avenue.

                The broadcast indicated there were unconfirmed reports the suspects were male and of Middle Eastern origin, “armed with AK-47s and wearing body armor.”

                http://mynewsla.com/crime/2015/12/02...-killers-fled/


                San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan said at a news conference that as many as three gunmen entered the facility and began shooting people inside before fleeing in a dark-colored SUV. More than a dozen people were killed.

                "Upwards of 14 people that are dead and upwards of 14 people who are wounded," Burguan said, also noting that hundreds of people inside the facility escaped unharmed.

                An FBI representative said at the news conference that investigators are still unsure whether the shootings are terror-related.

                One report said the suspect or suspects were heavily armed and wore tactical body armor, although San Bernardino police did not immediately confirm that detail. Burguan noted that the weapons used in the shooting are "long guns," not handguns.

                One source told CNN that the shooting occurred in a conference center at the facility, and that three gunmen armed with AK-47-type weapons were involved in the shootings.

                http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2015/...2471449084576/
                Last edited by The Doctor; 02 Dec 15, 17:26.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by lodestar View Post
                  Told you so.

                  This looks so sad and surreal.
                  An social services agency for disabled persons in San Bernardino.

                  The usual suspects will trot out their usual tripe about 'mental illness', 'guns don't kill..people kill', 'every five year old should carry a firearm' et. etc.

                  Around and around.

                  Weird, and on the part of Congress and most states legislatures ....gutless.

                  A greatly saddened lodestar
                  I agree that it's too early to make assumptions of this type. The latest I've heard is 14 dead and 14 injured, 3 shooters armed with assault rifles and body armor, who left in an SUV. It's too early to speculate about who did this or why but it's definitely not typical of these all-too-frequent mass shootings. Not the type of place that would have anything to steal, and it's hard to imagine someone going after people for personal motives and convincing two other people to go along with it. We'll have to wait and see how this develops and maybe try not to prematurely trot out the same political statements that usually accompany this type of tragedy.

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                  • #10
                    If it is terroist it does not appear to be the usual type of terrorist. On scene only long enough to enter, shoot, exit and get into their vehicle and leave. All before the first police arrived. There were hundreds and hundreds of more potential victims there and yet they escaped instead of staying and continuing.

                    Choice of target is a strange one also.
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                    Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                    Of cabbages—and kings—
                    And why the sea is boiling hot—
                    And whether pigs have wings.”
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Emtos View Post
                      Is it possible in USA for people with a previous criminal record or known mental issues to legaly buy guns ?
                      All legal gun purchases require a federal background check.

                      In Illinois, felons are prohibited from legally owning guns. All legal gun purchases require that the purchaser first obtain a license from the State. That license is only issued after the State conducts a background check.
                      Unfortunately, many past and future felons aren't interested in following the law.
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                      • #12
                        Important topic can we get a thread title change to describe the event more accurately?
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                        Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                        Of cabbages—and kings—
                        And why the sea is boiling hot—
                        And whether pigs have wings.”
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                          If it is terroist it does not appear to be the usual type of terrorist. On scene only long enough to enter, shoot, exit and get into their vehicle and leave. All before the first police arrived. There were hundreds and hundreds of more potential victims there and yet they escaped instead of staying and continuing.

                          Choice of target is a strange one also.
                          It was an organized assault with no apparent criminal motive other than killing as many people as possible and escaping. This pretty well rules out anything other than an act of terrorism.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                            Important topic can we get a thread title change to describe the event more accurately?


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by lodestar View Post
                              Told you so.

                              This looks so sad and surreal.
                              An social services agency for disabled persons in San Bernardino.

                              The usual suspects will trot out their usual tripe about 'mental illness', 'guns don't kill..people kill', 'every five year old should carry a firearm' et. etc.

                              Around and around.

                              Weird, and on the part of Congress and most states legislatures ....gutless.

                              A greatly saddened lodestar
                              Hey. Must you be so quick to politicize something so tragic? Can you show a little respect maybe, before using this as a childish 'I told you so' opportunity?

                              Also, before you go criticizing the laws of a country which you don't live in, allow me to provide you with some perspective. Drugs in the US are illegal, how's that going? We've invested countless resources in prohibiting drugs in this country, yet they're so accessible that kids as young as middle school age can easily get their hands on them. If our government can't win the war on drugs, how are they supposed to succeed in a war on guns?

                              You have to be extremely naive to think for one second that they could take guns off the street and away from people who want to kill.
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