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  • #16
    In the beginning, Trump's honesty and his willingness to call BS when it happened were refreshing, but he has become an attack dog aimed at everybody and everything, and he flings around alleged facts that make no sense.

    If he had clarified and said that thousands of Muslims danced in the streets after 9/11 he would have been totally correct - probably more like a few hundred thousand - because that's what happened on the streets of Middle Eastern cities as we clearly saw on the newsreels, but he just threw out a number and a locale and made it an automatic Trumpism.
    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
      What, you want to punish the wealthy business owners in America who donate more to campaigns than you and who hire more Americans than you do?

      What can you offer the politicians they support that would make up for that loss?
      Yeah, isn't that free market capitalism at it's finest? Business owners are hiring people who do the work for the least amount of money thereby increasing the owners profits. You would think the right wing free market capitalists would love that business model.
      Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
        Bingo!
        My idea was a fine of 100,000$ per illegal per incident, maybe scale that back t 10k but the principle remains, and the Feds get to make lots of money off fines, they LOVE doing that.

        Nail the fat-cats, and make them pay wages that American will work for.
        Simple as that.
        Be careful or you'll wind up supporting Bernie Sanders. You're skating dangerously close to some of his ideas.
        Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.

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        • #19
          I would not label Trump as a fascist. I do disagree with a # of Trumps views though. This is not WW3 and Mexicans are not the problems, Muslims are not the problem, blacks are not the problem. One of the problems is ISIL...and ISIL is made of Arabs, white Americans, black Americans, Euros, and other types of folks.

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          • #20
            What an insult to fascists.
            I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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            • #21
              He is no facsits. He is just a dick.
              you think you a real "bleep" solders you "bleep" plastic solders don't wory i will make you in to real "bleep" solders!! "bleep" plastic solders

              CPO Mzinyati

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              • #22
                Originally posted by andrewza View Post
                He is no facsits. He is just a dick.
                Summarizes it nicely.
                Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  In the beginning, Trump's honesty and his willingness to call BS when it happened were refreshing, but he has become an attack dog aimed at everybody and everything, and he flings around alleged facts that make no sense.

                  If he had clarified and said that thousands of Muslims danced in the streets after 9/11 he would have been totally correct - probably more like a few hundred thousand - because that's what happened on the streets of Middle Eastern cities as we clearly saw on the newsreels, but he just threw out a number and a locale and made it an automatic Trumpism.
                  Please provide links that show these news stories showing hundreds of thousands of Muslims dancing in the street. There is the well-known Palestinians. Whilst I have no doubt that many Muslims (and some non-Muslims too) thought the attacks were a good thing/agreed with them can you back up your claims?
                  "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it"
                  G.B Shaw

                  "They promised us homes fit for heroes, they give us heroes fit for homes."
                  Grandad, Only Fools and Horses

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                  • #24
                    For those interested in how Fascism relates to Trump in particular & current right wing politics more generally this is a must read. Some guy actually went & asked some of the leading scholars on Fascism their views on where Trump fits and then broadened out the discussion slightly. It is a good article & pretty much ends the current silliness. If only such a resource could have the same impact on the 'Obama is a Socialist' crowd.

                    http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi...-trump-fascism
                    Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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                    • #25
                      This is a lot of nonsense : a fascist is a partisan of Mussolini ,and I still expect ONE proof that Trump is a partisan of Mussolini.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                        This is a lot of nonsense : a fascist is a partisan of Mussolini ,and I still expect ONE proof that Trump is a partisan of Mussolini.
                        The definition is quite a bit broader than that. You need to do some reading.
                        Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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                        • #27
                          No : it is not . The definition had been broadened by leftwingers to attack their opponents .

                          A nazi is a supporter of Hitler,a fascist a supporter of Mussolini .

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                            No : it is not . The definition had been broadened by leftwingers to attack their opponents .

                            A nazi is a supporter of Hitler,a fascist a supporter of Mussolini .
                            The definition was broadened by Fascists themselves - all over Europe. You need to do some reading. Start with books by the guys in the article I posted (which I am assuming you haven't read). They have spent decades researching the history of Fascism.

                            Just because people on the left misuse the term doesn't mean you get to do the same.
                            Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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                            • #29
                              No : it is not because people outside Italy called themselves fascist (which they weren't) that they were fascists ;The Falange was not a fascist party,maybe it was close to fascism,but it wasn't fascist : there were no fascists outside Italy .

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                                No : it is not because people outside Italy called themselves fascist (which they weren't) that they were fascists ;The Falange was not a fascist party,maybe it was close to fascism,but it wasn't fascist : there were no fascists outside Italy .
                                I've wasted enough time on this. If you want to adhere to a definition of Fascism that is not recognized by either the leading scholars in the field or many who have self-identified as 'Fascist' then I'll leave you to play with yourself.

                                Its like trying to have a grown up discussion with that particular strain of America idiots who throw away centuries old definitions of 'left' and 'right' to make up a whole new one that they like better.
                                Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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