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    Ben Carson has admitted he lied about being accepted to West Point.

    Carson admission
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  • #2
    Can't trust any of them...
    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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    • #3
      Would this be considered a kind of 'stolen valour?'
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Duncan View Post
        Would this be considered a kind of 'stolen valour?'
        Considering how some people are willing to defend him regardless, I imagine they'll justify it somehow.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by taco View Post
          Ben Carson has admitted he lied about being accepted to West Point.

          Carson admission
          Where did he admit that he lied?

          He was offered a full scholarship but in the end he turned it down......
          "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Nichols View Post
            Where did he admit that he lied?

            He was offered a full scholarship but in the end he turned it down......
            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015.../?intcmp=hpbt1

            Image is everything...He stepped on his di&* .....Its over

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Nichols View Post
              Where did he admit that he lied?

              He was offered a full scholarship but in the end he turned it down......
              Politco, who broke the story, has a better article.

              To quote:

              The academy has occupied a central place in Carson’s tale for years. According to a story told in Carson’s book, “Gifted Hands,” the then-17 year old was introduced in 1969 to Gen. William Westmoreland, who had just ended his command of U.S. forces in Vietnam, and the two dined together. That meeting, according to Carson’s telling, was followed by a “full scholarship” to the military academy.


              West Point, however, has no record of Carson applying, much less being extended admission.

              “In 1969, those who would have completed the entire process would have received their acceptance letters from the Army Adjutant General,” said Theresa Brinkerhoff, a spokeswoman for the academy. She said West Point has no records that indicate Carson even began the application process. “If he chose to pursue (the application process), then we would have records indicating such,” she said.

              ...

              Carson would have needed to seek admission in order to receive an offer of free education from West Point. Also, according to West Point, there is no such thing as a “full scholarship” to the military academy, as Carson represented in his book.
              Politco - Full Article

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Duncan View Post
                Would this be considered a kind of 'stolen valour?'
                I don't see how, he said he was offered a full scholarship but he decided not to attend.

                From the linked article:

                "Dr. . Carson was the top ROTC student in the City of Detroit. In that role he was invited to meet General Westmoreland. He believes it was at a banquet. He can’t remember with specificity their brief conversation but it centered around Dr. Carson’s performance as ROTC City Executive Officer. He was introduced to folks from West Point by his ROTC Supervisors. They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission.”

                He met General Westmoreland, later on folks from West Point told him that they could help him get an appointment.....he decided not to seek admission.
                "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                • #9
                  Ah the mud slinging continues...
                  Credo quia absurdum.


                  Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Darth Holliday View Post
                    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015.../?intcmp=hpbt1

                    Image is everything...He stepped on his di&* .....Its over
                    And importantly, it's tied to the military. That's a toxic mistake to the GOP core electorate.

                    Whether he misremembered such an important event or just lied will be irrelevant if the accusations stick and he can't come up with a coherent response. He needs to bury this story before the Dems run with it.

                    After all, they want to paint ANY GOP candidate as a liar as well to take the focus off of Hillary and her cornucopia of lies. That Carson looks to have lied and exaggerated in his own biography won't be easy to dismiss for the GOP.

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                    • #11
                      As the spinning and twisting of the truth continues in that desperate search to discredit Carson and Trump.
                      “Breaking News,”

                      “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                        Politco, who broke the story, has a better article.

                        To quote:


                        Politco - Full Article
                        They are saying the same thing:

                        "Dr. Carson did not seek admission"
                        "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                          Whether he misremembered such an important event or just lied
                          What exactly did he lie about?
                          "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Nichols View Post
                            They are saying the same thing:

                            "Dr. Carson did not seek admission"
                            And he lied about the offer (which was impossible) and the "full scholarship" (which doesn't exist) in his biography.

                            One might be generous and say he misremembered the event, or he might even try to blame Westmoreland, but that will be a hard sell since he is the source for the story in his own biography, a story he considers pretty important for its inclusion.

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                            • #15
                              I don't see any admission of lying in any of the articles... Nor do I see any evidence of a lie.
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