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  • #31
    Originally posted by Nikki View Post
    I would like to hear more about the Republican's proposal to replace Obamacare. It's called the Patient Choice, Affordability, Responsibility and Empowerment Act.
    Here is a start http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...tch-and-upton/
    "A foe who had fought so long and valiantly, and had suffered so much for a cause, though that cause was, I believe, one of the worst for which a people ever fought, and one for which there was the least excuse." Ulysses S. Grant

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    • #32
      Remember the good old days when people were responsible for their own & their family's healthcare and no one else?
      “Someone who doesn’t know is less stupid than someone who wrongly think he knows."

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      • #33
        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
        Why replace it? Just repeal it in its entirety. Then work to get insurance out of paying for the majority of health care altogether.

        Although, if it had to be replaced, I could do a better job than the Democrats did and with just a handful of pages of bill.
        I agree. The answer lies in less regulation not more.
        It was claimed that obamacare was needed to reduce the cost of medical care and to cover the uninsured (estimated at no more than 15% of the population at the time)
        Only the government could address that problem with a plan that requires changing the insurance for 85% of the population to help the 15% and does nothing to address the rising costs.
        It merely tries to hide them with subsidies.

        The real goal of obamacare was control, not health.
        Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

        Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Taieb el-Okbi View Post
          Sorry dgfred but this whole anti healthcare discussion in the USA is IMO blown out of proportion by the folks who find that Obamas healthcare policies are the end of the world.
          My 63 year old father doesn't have insurance now because he can't afford it.
          “I do not wish to have the slave emancipated because I love him, but because I hate his master."
          --Salmon P. Chase

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          • #35
            Before Obamacare, few went without healthcare. It's true few had insurance, but they were not turned away. Catastrophic healthcare was problematic. But there were programs that would help. Those had more hoops than a NBA Square-dance team.
            But now a low income family has to sign up under penalty and is liable to pay a fine if they don't, and the premiums are as much as rent or a house payment.
            Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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            • #36
              @ Savez
              Can he afford a very high deductible ObamaCare plan for a couple of years?
              He may be able to get some discounts due to age and income.

              Are short-term medical plans available in his area? They usually go for 6 months at a time.

              Just some ideas.
              SPORTS FREAK/ PANZERBLITZ COMMANDER/ CC2 COMMANDER

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                Before Obamacare, few went without healthcare. It's true few had insurance, but they were not turned away. Catastrophic healthcare was problematic. But there were programs that would help. Those had more hoops than a NBA Square-dance team.
                But now a low income family has to sign up under penalty and is liable to pay a fine if they don't, and the premiums are as much as rent or a house payment.
                I think the very biggest problem was all the illegals and people without coverage getting that very good coverage... but not having to ever pay anything.

                If I go to the emergency room for a few stitches the bill would be over 750$.

                If one of them go to the emergency room they never paid anything.

                They also get free checkups and such at the regular doctor... on medicare or without coverage at all.

                Free to them... expensive for you .

                Why?
                SPORTS FREAK/ PANZERBLITZ COMMANDER/ CC2 COMMANDER

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                • #38
                  I can only paraphrase the great Winston Churchill:

                  Never before has so many been supported by so few.
                  Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by dgfred View Post
                    I think the very biggest problem was all the illegals and people without coverage getting that very good coverage... but not having to ever pay anything.

                    If I go to the emergency room for a few stitches the bill would be over 750$.

                    If one of them go to the emergency room they never paid anything.

                    They also get free checkups and such at the regular doctor... on medicare or without coverage at all.

                    Free to them... expensive for you .

                    Why?
                    Because Obama loves them.
                    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Tsar View Post
                      I'm fine, full recovery. Thanks in no small part because of the insurance that I had.
                      Thats good to hear. I had to use my health insurance about 7 years ago, had a bit of a scare but I was all good. The co pays were about 500$ though, but Ill tell you I dont mind the 500$ co pay for the services that I had.

                      Originally posted by Tsar View Post
                      They have always had the best insurance that they can get. Since O'Bama care was shoved down our throats they have said that they are not willing to provide us with the best and pay the penalty for having the best plan. I see no reason to doubt what they say.



                      Over half the people don't want this government imposed monstrosity but the socialist that are the Democrats wanted it and they used every possible maneuver legal or otherwise to get it passed and keep it “legal” regardless of what the people really want.


                      My argument to you here would be that if you take a look at the 1980s, your going to find folks blaming Ronald Reagan for their troubles. During the 1980s you had folks who suggested that Reagan policies will lead the USA to disaster. Well here we are today and we have some Americans whom blame Obama for just about all of their ills.

                      One can not merely look at the current policies of the US gov, one must also look at business trends. Where some companies deal with struggles(btw you said it yourself, your insurance plan has yet to change) other companies are enjoying great success.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Savez View Post
                        My 63 year old father doesn't have insurance now because he can't afford it.
                        Hopefully your father can explore some insurance options and find a company that he likes.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by dgfred View Post
                          I think the very biggest problem was all the illegals and people without coverage getting that very good coverage... but not having to ever pay anything.

                          If I go to the emergency room for a few stitches the bill would be over 750$.

                          If one of them go to the emergency room they never paid anything.

                          They also get free checkups and such at the regular doctor... on medicare or without coverage at all.

                          Free to them... expensive for you .

                          Why?


                          Somewhere along the line some politician(s) must have convinced some folks(apparently this includes you) that illegals are making things more difficult for Americans.

                          I for one dont buy that illegal immigrants are a cause for concern when it comes to Health insurance premiums here in the USA. Sure, there is no doubt that some # of illegal immigrants are corrupt folks whom care more about themselves and making money. But heck, you probably know first hand the criminal activity that some American citizens whom are involved in the insurance industry engage in.

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                          • #43
                            I am speaking of my area... don't know about yours.

                            I have seen first hand... nothing but that convinced me of anything. You might not want to make such broad accusations of what other people think.

                            *We have a high number of illegals/not-legal but can work... working in the fields here.
                            *I have a Spanish interpreter in my office... and many/MANY latinos insured with our Agency.
                            *I have witnessed first hand in the emergency room what happens when someone has no coverage. It doesn't make a difference (they have to accept you) until the bills go out. They do not have to pay... I do.

                            Corrupt has NOTHING to do with it. They are not doing anything wrong... they just are not required to pay due to the present procedures.
                            An illegal here can have 3 kids in the U.S.A. and get every one of them on medicare. Don't work and don't have to. Many do still, but...

                            If I don't pay I am turned over to a collection agency/etc.

                            Criminal activity is in every walk of life... not just insurance. What do you do for a living?
                            SPORTS FREAK/ PANZERBLITZ COMMANDER/ CC2 COMMANDER

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Taieb el-Okbi View Post
                              Somewhere along the line some politician(s) must have convinced some folks(apparently this includes you) that illegals are making things more difficult for Americans.

                              I for one dont buy that illegal immigrants are a cause for concern when it comes to Health insurance premiums here in the USA.
                              It doesn't matter whether you buy it or not. The math is plain and simple. Every person who requires medical treatment costs money. If a person takes medical treatment without paying then they burden the system. Those burdens can't be ignored, someone has to pay the bill. The hospitals survive by passing the expense onto paying customers. The customers pass it on to insurance companies. And the more insurance companies have to pay, the higher the premiums are.

                              The power company doesn't take human kindness and goodwill as payment. Neither do nurses, doctors, or pharmaceutical companies. That business requires cash. Anyone who doesn't provide it is a burden.
                              A new life awaits you in the off world colonies; the chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure!

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Taieb el-Okbi View Post
                                My argument to you here would be that if you take a look at the 1980s, your going to find folks blaming Ronald Reagan for their troubles. During the 1980s you had folks who suggested that Reagan policies will lead the USA to disaster. Well here we are today and we have some Americans whom blame Obama for just about all of their ills.

                                One can not merely look at the current policies of the US gov, one must also look at business trends. Where some companies deal with struggles(btw you said it yourself, your insurance plan has yet to change) other companies are enjoying great success.

                                You seem to be consistently overlooking the fact the the majority of Americans are being told to give up the insurance that they like to reward the minority. But I suppose it is possible that you think that the 85% should be punished to satisfy the 15%.
                                Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy. -- Ernest Benn

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