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  • #31
    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
    I say 100 million plus 100% tax free plus 100% of all previous property related taxes FULLY REFUNDED by all Federal, State, and County, and Local agencies.

    That's right. Every agency have to cough out 150 years of revenues. If it is that important to take away personal property, it better be worth it otherwise eminent domain will forever be abused.

    And letting a jury decide the value is stupid. If someone wants to sell, the value is decided by the market. If someone wants to buy, the value is determined by the owner. Simple rules of capitalism that some here (not you) is so ignorant of.
    Just get rid of imminent domain as an idea. Who cares if the military or government needs something? If the owner won't sell, then they wont sell.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
      Just get rid of imminent domain as an idea. Who cares if the military or government needs something? If the owner won't sell, then they wont sell.
      It is a valid idea so long as the government must prove their need much like they would prove someone guilty of a capital crime. Sort of a combination of Articles 3 and 4 of the Bill of Rights.

      It should be such that the government is considered wrong in asking up until they can prove beyond reasonable doubt that taking property for some reason is necessary.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
        Just remember trump thinks its a wonderful thing...
        Just one o the MANY reasons this guy can't be allowed near the White House. Heck, he'd probably broker a deal to sell the dang thing.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
          It is a valid idea so long as the government must prove their need much like they would prove someone guilty of a capital crime. Sort of a combination of Articles 3 and 4 of the Bill of Rights.

          It should be such that the government is considered wrong in asking up until they can prove beyond reasonable doubt that taking property for some reason is necessary.
          And what happens when they claim its for national security reasons? That the reasoning is top secret? Or what happens when the "need" is something like expanding highways for the public good?

          Even in China, property rights are pretty well protected. The idea of the government forcing you to sell them property because they claim to need it is just more big government nonsense.



          If the government really needs it, then they can pay for it. If you want to build a highway through my land, give me a few trillion dollars. If it's not worth what I want for it, then the government can do without, public need be damned.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
            And what happens when they claim its for national security reasons? That the reasoning is top secret? Or what happens when the "need" is something like expanding highways for the public good?
            Expanding highways involves a long public process. Phoenix just had one they did for the South Mountain Loop 202 freeway. They picked several routes, eventually after lots of hearings settled on one and then bought out the homeowners, etc., on the route. A few holdouts are still going to court and such.
            Expansion in most cases involves no need for eminent domain as the right of way is already in place if the government has half a wit about it.

            Even in China, property rights are pretty well protected. The idea of the government forcing you to sell them property because they claim to need it is just more big government nonsense.



            If the government really needs it, then they can pay for it. If you want to build a highway through my land, give me a few trillion dollars. If it's not worth what I want for it, then the government can do without, public need be damned.
            China can play the game differently. They put in the road and then make the land owner miserable or wait until he dies. That doesn't play in the US where the press isn't controlled by the government (for the most part), the public is all to ready to side against the government, and the government can't easily toss you in a re-education camp or insane asylum.

            Where the government fails are cases like downtown Mesa AZ where they tried to take several businesses that had been present for decades simply because the city government thought they had become eyesores. One was a garage built in the 50's. Ugly building but a successful and thriving business. It simply wasn't what the city wanted. The courts threw the city's case out.

            Here's more:

            http://www.cbsnews.com/news/eminent-...-being-abused/

            Jim and Joanne Saleet are refusing to sell the home they've lived in for 38 years. They live in a quiet neighborhood of single-family houses in Lakewood, Ohio, just outside Cleveland.

            The City of Lakewood is trying to use eminent domain to force the Saleets out to make way for more expensive condominiums. But the Saleets are telling the town, "Hell no! They won't go."
            This is using it for the enrichment of government and private business in collusion. Illegal.

            And it's not just people's homes that are the targets in these eminent domain cases. The Institute for Justice has also filed suit against the City of Mesa, Ariz., to save Randy Bailey's Brake Repair Shop - the shop he got from his father and hopes to someday pass on to his son.

            The City of Mesa, citing the need for "redevelopment," is trying to force Bailey to relocate to make way for an Ace Hardware Store that would look better and pay more taxes.
            That's the Mesa case that got thrown out.

            And this isn't happening just in small towns. In New York City, just a few blocks from Times Square, New York State has forced a man to sell a corner that his family owned for more than 100 years. And what's going up instead? A courthouse? A school? Nope. The new headquarters of The New York Times.

            The world's most prestigious newspaper wants to build a new home on that block, but Stratford Wallace and the block's other property owners didn't want to sell. Wallace told 60 Minutes that the newspaper never tried to negotiate with him. Instead, The Times teamed up with a major real estate developer, and together they convinced New York State to use eminent domain to force Wallace out. How? By declaring the block blighted.
            Crony capitalism by Progressives...

            And more...

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/e...-domain-abuse/

            A famous and egregious one:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v..._of_New_London

            Government is the bad guy here. Big business is too in many cases. Complaints about "Crony Capitalism?" The Left loves crony capitalism.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
              Expanding highways involves a long public process. Phoenix just had one they did for the South Mountain Loop 202 freeway. They picked several routes, eventually after lots of hearings settled on one and then bought out the homeowners, etc., on the route. A few holdouts are still going to court and such.
              Expansion in most cases involves no need for eminent domain as the right of way is already in place if the government has half a wit about it.



              China can play the game differently. They put in the road and then make the land owner miserable or wait until he dies. That doesn't play in the US where the press isn't controlled by the government (for the most part), the public is all to ready to side against the government, and the government can't easily toss you in a re-education camp or insane asylum.

              Where the government fails are cases like downtown Mesa AZ where they tried to take several businesses that had been present for decades simply because the city government thought they had become eyesores. One was a garage built in the 50's. Ugly building but a successful and thriving business. It simply wasn't what the city wanted. The courts threw the city's case out.

              Here's more:

              http://www.cbsnews.com/news/eminent-...-being-abused/



              This is using it for the enrichment of government and private business in collusion. Illegal.



              That's the Mesa case that got thrown out.



              Crony capitalism by Progressives...

              And more...

              http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/e...-domain-abuse/

              A famous and egregious one:

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v..._of_New_London

              Government is the bad guy here. Big business is too in many cases. Complaints about "Crony Capitalism?" The Left loves crony capitalism.
              Big business and big government are both threats to the wider populace. Thankfully, big business at least can't just kill/imprison you. But both of them try their best to subvert the system in their own favor.

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