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  • The Exorcist
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    Originally posted by Trung Si View Post
    I'd vote 3rd party, whoever looked best, but I would never EVER vote for either of those two establishment hacks.
    And its also pretty unlikely.
    Clinton can't do anything well aside from attacking other people, and Sanders polls higher vs. just about any Republicer.
    Bush is the RINO of all RINOs, the pet Geek of all the country club insiders and openly favored by the Dems in the media.

    And none of this matters until the depths of winter when the primaries start up.

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  • ChrisF1987
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    Bush without a doubt, I actually like Bush and I also like Marco Rubio and John Kasich but I think they have a lesser chance of winning the nomination. Fact is, under such circumstances voting for a 3rd party or somehow spoiling the ballot is the same as directly voting for Hillary Clinton. Reality is that Libertarian Party, Green Party, etc are basically irrelevant in terms of electoral votes ... they have zero chance of getting enough votes to stop Hillary from reaching the magic number of 270.

    On the other hand, as a moderate Republican I would like to see one of the extreme wingnuts (Cruz, Carson, Trump, Huckabee, etc) get the nomination and go on to be annihilated by Hillary as a means of forcing the party to return to the center, "triangulate", and adopt a more moderate party platform that broadens the party's appeal to a changing nation. It's time to change, we can't be the party of anger and resentment anymore.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by lakechampainer View Post
    Today and yesterday Clinton "won't rule out" implementing gun control by "executive order"

    Just what we need - more fiat government.
    That alone should give anyone pause to vote for her. What she's saying is that she, like Obama, is perfectly fine to act to the extent she can in office as a dictator.
    We are not electing a dictator, we're electing a representative head of state to interact with other nations primarily. Congress is supposed to make our laws, not the President.

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  • wolfhnd
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    I keep voting third party but it doesn't seem to have much effect. I do think however that a sufficiently large third party vote drives both parties toward more reasonable platforms.

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  • lakechampainer
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    Today and yesterday Clinton "won't rule out" implementing gun control by "executive order"

    Just what we need - more fiat government.

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  • Provokatsiya
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    Here's a novel experience-let's have an administration WITHOUT someone named Bush or Clinton in it.

    It might actually feel like democracy at work for once.

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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
    Keyword Layman.
    Medics and EMTs: how layman are they -- or is this discussion open to MDs only?

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  • Combat Engineer
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
    From your link:


    Both experts and educated laymen would differ.

    The medulla oblongata is the organ associated with immediate incapacitation. It's only about the size of a walnut, however, so the odds that Foster struck it cleanly with an antique .32 are terribly low. Add to that the fact that the organ is fed by three arteries, so even if Foster struck it cleanly, his wound should have produced much more blood than was recorded either by the US Park Police or the pathologist quoted. The pathologist claims that due to the attitude of Foster's body, ie on an incline with his feet below his heart, that the blood pooled within the body, and poured out when the body was placed within a bag. Over time, the blood should have thickened, so that its viscosity was more akin to syrup rather than flowing water. All of that ignores the splatter and spray that should have resulted from a head GSW. These are significant inconsistencies, that have not been resolved, at least not to this layman's satisfaction, at any rate.
    Keyword Layman.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
    The physical evidence does not have "Hillary" written on it, only homicide, rather than suicide.
    Agreed. Like the "suicide" notes found that don't match his handwriting (except in the opinion of the non-expert the Clinton's hired...).

    Of course, we can add the whole thing with the Clintons and Madison S & L, the MacDougals, and Whitewater which stink of bank fraud since they occurred at the height of the S&L scandal and for which the MacDougals went to prison...

    Or Shrillary's total lack of experience in the commodities market yet she made tens of thousands on cattle futures in a matter of weeks. It's like she decided to take up day trading as a hobby on Monday and by Friday she was a millionaire not making a single trading mistake...

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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
    And with that huge load of evidence you are going to try and convict Hillary Clinton herself for murder?
    The physical evidence does not have "Hillary" written on it, only homicide, rather than suicide.

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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
    Nope. Internet rumor.

    Go to the end of the 249 pages in the first link. Contains information from Pathologist report on death. Includes info on the blood and conditions etc.

    https://vault.fbi.gov/vincent-foster...-01-of-04/view

    https://vault.fbi.gov/vincent-foster...-02-of-04/view

    The initial observation about the lack of blood was before his body has moved at all. When it was rolled over a very large amount of blood was found at the scene.
    From your link:

    The blood visible on his clothing was limited to a small area on the right shoulder of his shirt, which is consistent with Foster having comitted suicide where the body was found.
    Both experts and educated laymen would differ.

    The main cause of death at the scene [of a head GSW] is usually blood loss ó if a bullet damages key blood vessels and there is not enough time to stop the bleeding, the victim will bleed to death or form a rapidly expanding blood clot that critically compresses important brain tissue.

    "Gunshot Wound Head Trauma," American Association of Neurological Surgeons, May 2015
    The #1 thing I took away from this video is something I already knew, specifically that the biggest cause of death from handguns is due to exsanguination (bleeding to death) rather than from the bullet impacting a critical link in the nervous system.

    "A Doctorís (and EMTís) Perspective on Gunshot Wounds," by Nick Leghorn, The Truth About Guns-dot-com 4 Sep 2012
    The medulla oblongata is the organ associated with immediate incapacitation. It's only about the size of a walnut, however, so the odds that Foster struck it cleanly with an antique .32 are terribly low. Add to that the fact that the organ is fed by three arteries, so even if Foster struck it cleanly, his wound should have produced much more blood than was recorded either by the US Park Police or the pathologist quoted. The pathologist claims that due to the attitude of Foster's body, ie on an incline with his feet below his heart, that the blood pooled within the body, and poured out when the body was placed within a bag. Over time, the blood should have thickened, so that its viscosity was more akin to syrup rather than flowing water. All of that ignores the splatter and spray that should have resulted from a head GSW. These are significant inconsistencies, that have not been resolved, at least not to this layman's satisfaction, at any rate.

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  • Delenda estRoma
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
    Original US Park Police report (the agency of jurisdiction, as Foster's body was discovered in Fort Marcy Park) noted the remarkable absence of blood at the scene: a finding wholly inconsistent with a self-inflected gun shot wound to the head. The report was published in the summer of '93, but has not been seen in its original form since.
    And with that huge load of evidence you are going to try and convict Hillary Clinton herself for murder?

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  • Combat Engineer
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
    Original US Park Police report (the agency of jurisdiction, as Foster's body was discovered in Fort Marcy Park) noted the remarkable absence of blood at the scene: a finding wholly inconsistent with a self-inflected gun shot wound to the head. The report was published in the summer of '93, but has not been seen in its original form since.
    Nope. Internet rumor.

    Go to the end of the 249 pages in the first link. Contains information from Pathologist report on death. Includes info on the blood and conditions etc.

    https://vault.fbi.gov/vincent-foster...-01-of-04/view

    https://vault.fbi.gov/vincent-foster...-02-of-04/view

    The initial observation about the lack of blood was before his body has moved at all. When it was rolled over a very large amount of blood was found at the scene.

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  • dgfred
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    Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
    Who says gads anymore? I would rather have Clinton than another Bush. Sure she's had a scandal, but at least I agree with her platform.
    Her platform??? Like what?

    You posted that you would vote whatever Democrat.

    Nothing like a good scandal or two (three ) for an incoming President.

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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
    You're accusing her of murder with what evidence?
    Original US Park Police report (the agency of jurisdiction, as Foster's body was discovered in Fort Marcy Park) noted the remarkable absence of blood at the scene: a finding wholly inconsistent with a self-inflected gun shot wound to the head. The report was published in the summer of '93, but has not been seen in its original form since.

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