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  • #46
    Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
    Breaking the law and defying congress - good as long as you're opposing liberals!
    I didn't say what occurred in that was legal or should have been done the way it was, but the outcome is undeniable. It was a net positive for Central America.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
      Breaking the law and defying congress - good as long as you're opposing liberals!
      People, I'm not a Reagan-hater, but Iran-Contra was the most blatantly illegal, impeachable act committed in our recent history, bar none-say what you will about Nixon and Watergate, it didn't involve selling arms to terrorists. Either Reagan lied to people or he didn't know what his staff was doing, and I really don't know which was worse.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
        I didn't say what occurred in that was legal or should have been done the way it was, but the outcome is undeniable. It was a net positive for Central America.
        Supporting guys like Rios Montt in their Civil Wars and thugs who wanted to to imitate them was a huge plus for Central America-if you were one of them. Not so much for everybody else.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
          Nicaragua ended successfully with the demise of the Sandinista government and a very overt expansionist policy. Had they been able to entrench they would have overrun their neighbors within a decade.

          The Sandinista were building an enormous military for a Central American country that would have been easily capable of dominating any of their neighbors in short conventional wars. All that was required was a weak US President / Congress unwilling to step in and stop them.

          Iran-Contra was done because of the obstinance of a Democrat Congress much like occurred after the US left Vietnam and then failed to honor treaty agreements to supply military aid if the South was invaded. It was the same thing in Nicaragua. Congress didn't see the expansionist Sandinistas as a threat but rather as simply a Leftist government they had sympathy for.
          Temporary victory, guess who is in charge of Nicaragua today ... yeah Daniel Ortega and the Sandinistas. Nowadays they are teaming up with the Castro's, Evo Morales, Rafael Correa, and Maduro to export their "Socialism of the 21st Century" and the "Bolivarian revolution". They have managed to take control of virtually all of South America and the Caribbean with the except of those places under British, French, Dutch, or US sovereignty.

          Back in the 1980s the commies were contained to a few places on the map ... now they have all of South America. You call that a victory?

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Provokatsiya View Post
            Supporting guys like Rios Montt in their Civil Wars and thugs who wanted to to imitate them was a huge plus for Central America-if you were one of them. Not so much for everybody else.
            The sad reality of things is that all nations have interests. The United States is not the only country that "meddles". China's involvement in Africa is nothing less than imperialism. Russia's landgrabs are right out of the 19th Century.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by ChrisF1987 View Post
              Temporary victory, guess who is in charge of Nicaragua today ... yeah Daniel Ortega and the Sandinistas. Nowadays they are teaming up with the Castro's, Evo Morales, Rafael Correa, and Maduro to export their "Socialism of the 21st Century" and the "Bolivarian revolution". They have managed to take control of virtually all of South America and the Caribbean with the except of those places under British, French, Dutch, or US sovereignty.

              Back in the 1980s the commies were contained to a few places on the map ... now they have all of South America. You call that a victory?
              No. The resurgence of the Left south of the border is troubling but not as serious as it would be with the USSR still in play. As it is, all these tin pot dictators, like the late Chavez, can do is wreck their own countries... Toilet paper line anyone?

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Provokatsiya View Post
                People, I'm not a Reagan-hater, but Iran-Contra was the most blatantly illegal, impeachable act committed in our recent history, bar none-say what you will about Nixon and Watergate, it didn't involve selling arms to terrorists. Either Reagan lied to people or he didn't know what his staff was doing, and I really don't know which was worse.
                Worse than Fast & Furious?

                Worse than how the IRS targets Obama’s enemies?

                Worse than Holder committing perjury and getting away with it?

                Worse than Benghazi?!?


                The Contras weren't terrorists, they were the Sandinistas who were fighting agasint dictator-for-life Ortega and his communist gang.
                It is possible to be against Communism and still be sane, contrary to what the media will tell you.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
                  Worse than Fast & Furious?

                  Worse than how the IRS targets Obama’s enemies?

                  Worse than Holder committing perjury and getting away with it?

                  Worse than Benghazi?!?


                  The Contras weren't terrorists, they were the Sandinistas who were fighting agasint dictator-for-life Ortega and his communist gang.
                  It is possible to be against Communism and still be sane, contrary to what the media will tell you.

                  Up front, President Reagan was wrong. His wanting to establish better relations with Iran and get the hostages back in addition to funding his war in Central America....that being said...

                  You missed trading 5 senior Taliban leaders for one Army deserter.

                  You also missed sending arms from Libya to Syria that ultimately fed the JV team.

                  Also the current nuclear deal with Iran.
                  "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Nichols View Post
                    You also missed sending arms from Libya to Syria that ultimately fed the JV team.
                    Which was the reason for the attack on our consulate in Benghazi and then prompted the video lie.

                    You beat me to it.
                    Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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