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  • #16
    Originally posted by Localyokel View Post
    So you admit you have retards on your side?
    Of course there are idiots on both sides. I preach the fact that it isn't one side or the other to blame. It's both.
    Last edited by Delenda estRoma; 26 Sep 15, 17:54.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Surrey View Post
      Reading the first paragraph, the first thing 'Liberals' accuse Conservatives of us being liberal.
      This, there is nothing "liberal" or "progressive" about liberals beyond perhaps their spending habits. The political "left" are statists and collectivists, nothing more. They believe in government solutions to problems and think that poverty can be ended by giving wealthy politicians & bureaucrats more money and more power. They claim to support freedom yet they all act alike & think alike and attack anyone who disagrees with ad hominems.

      "Conservatives" aren't necessarily what the name suggests. Conservatives & Conservative parties look very different today than they did 150 years ago. Today what most would call a conservative is broad in favor what was known as Liberalism 200 years ago, that is, liberty. Personal freedom, religious freedom, economic freedom, etc. Not only are those things morally & ethically right, they are empirically superior.

      Ask a self proclaimed "progressive" & a self proclaimed "conservative" if they support slavery or freedom and you'll get the same answer, but ask them if the state should ever coerce a free individual do anything, and you'll get two different answers.

      The left fundamentally does not view freedom as important, they place perceived equality over everything.

      The society that puts equality before freedom will end up with neither. The society that puts freedom before equality will end up with a great measure of both. -Milton Freidman
      A wild liberal appears! Conservative uses logical reasoning and empirical evidence! It's super effective! Wild liberal faints.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Localyokel View Post
        So you admit you have retards on your side?
        If the question is are there "retarded" conservatives, then that depends on what a "conservative" is.

        As a card carrying member of the Conservative Party of Canada, I have fellow party members who I may share views with, but regardless are quite simply idiots.

        Better to be in a pack with a few idiots though, than in a horde of sheep following their statist overlords blindly to their deaths.
        A wild liberal appears! Conservative uses logical reasoning and empirical evidence! It's super effective! Wild liberal faints.

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        • #19
          This is the sort of stupidity the Left believes in when it comes to economics.



          Aside from the "tax cut" that wasn't a tax cut, just a lowering of withholding rates meaning everyone would end up owing the same taxes at the end of the year, Pelosi states that paying unemployment would create jobs.

          This completely ignores the concept of Time Value of Money and how jobs are created.

          First, the money is removed from the economy as taxes and returned at a discount without interest being charged. That means the process starts off as a net loss of income.

          Next, those receiving this money are not expected to repay it. Worse, we don't know how those receiving it will actually spend it either. The worst possibility is they convert their government money, like Food Stamps, into cash on a black market at a heavy discount.
          But, even if those receiving it acted completely 100% altruistically and used it for basic goods to live on this does little or nothing to drive the economy forward. The amounts individually spent are too small and the spending too diluted within the whole economy to be an economic driver.

          So, investment capital is removed from higher end tax payers and put into treading water for the unemployed. Even if Pelosi were 100% right, that 600,000 jobs were created by unemployment spending the obvious counter is that if that same money were invested in the economy instead of doled out to individuals in tiny amounts, may as many a 1.2 million jobs would be created reducing the need for unemployment payments and further driving the economy forward.
          So long as government isn't operating on the profit motive it is unprofitable and remains stuck on the aforementioned pre Time Value of Money model that held down economies for centuries.

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