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  • #31
    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Of course he can, and he is actively doing so.
    Of course who can? Lodestar or the Pope?

    Lodestar already stated that he can't define conservative or reactionary Catholics...

    The Pope can't change Church doctrine, only Jesus has the authority to do that.

    The church can do a loosing but the Pope would have to call for a council first (Like Vatican II), at that point the cardinals would figure out what ecclesiastical disciplines can be dispensed. The Pope ran a test run of this last year, he didn't get the results that he was looking for.

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    • #32
      defining and re-defining and re-defining definitions la,la,la

      Originally posted by Nichols View Post
      Okay, so let's see if we have this straight......

      You can't define "conservative or reactionary Catholics" .....

      So you start a thread asking how they should react to the Pope.

      With that being said, why did you start this thread? I



      I wasn't trying to define it, I was asking you how you define it in order to discuss it......
      Don't be bloody ridiculous!
      Any definition I gave would of course be argued and contradicted by you and you would no doubt be pointing out inconsistencies and dilemmas in what I was giving as a definition.

      We would in short, just go around in circles (as some of you guys seem to do endlessly on this sub-forum).

      You do not need a specific, unanimously agreed definition to simply tell me what you feel about a pope you would clearly have issues with (ie a pope who is a capitalism sceptic, climate-change realist, migrant / refugee empathiser, etc).

      What do you think for example, his approach to the above three issues should be?
      Would it be easy to reconcile with a modern, evolving Catholic Church?

      I'm trying to open up the discussion, pal not go around and around.

      Sheesh

      Regards lodestar

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      • #33
        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
        It isn't but, two families? That isn't charity, it's a PR sop. The Vatican has the resources to do more than take in two families.
        The Vatican is home to only 842 people. The 8 people they've taken in amounts to 0.95% of their population. If the United States were to take in the same amount of people in proportion to their population, it would be 3,030,000 refugees.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Jonathanrex1 View Post
          The Vatican is home to only 842 people. The 8 people they've taken in amounts to 0.95% of their population. If the United States were to take in the same amount of people in proportion to their population, it would be 3,030,000 refugees.
          The wealth of the Vatican is challenged only by the United States. Let the Marxist Pope take 3 million "refugees" before talking smack.

          The Pope disgust me. He should shut his trap regarding politics and global warming nonsense. For the first time in my life I question my Catholic faith because a Pope wants to be a politician instead of being a spiritual leader.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Salinator View Post
            He should shut his trap regarding politics and global warming nonsense. For the first time in my life I question my Catholic faith because a Pope wants to be a politician instead of being a spiritual leader.
            The way I look at it as a Catholic is that at the end of the day he's still just a man. He can't change doctrine or the tenants of the church, only give his opinions. I kind of think this whole thing, and maybe even his election in the first place is a strategy to try and win over younger/leftist people who are generally not religious. Hence all the talk about global warming and the like. Cuba for a different message because the way to get followers there is to not **** off Castro. To a certain extent it all seems to be working but it's alienating some traditional Christians. If socialism/communism were really the ways of the church, John Paul II, who is now a saint by the way, wouldn't have fought so hard against them.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by lodestar View Post
              Any definition I gave would of course be argued and contradicted by you and you would no doubt be pointing out inconsistencies and dilemmas in what I was giving as a definition.
              I didn't ask for a Webster's definition, only how you define it. You need to have a starting point in a discussion or you end up doing this:

              Originally posted by lodestar View Post
              We would in short, just go around in circles (as some of you guys seem to do endlessly on this sub-forum).


              Originally posted by lodestar View Post
              You do not need a specific, unanimously agreed definition to simply tell me what you feel about a pope you would clearly have issues with
              I don't have any issues with the Pope, not sure where you are getting that from. Keep in mind I am a Roman Catholic not a "conservative or reactionary" Catholic.

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              • #37
                How should conservative or reactionary Catholics react to a ‘radically’ progressiv’ pope?

                I diss him, however I am not a catholic, I am a (not so devout) southern baptist and the word of the pope means squat to me!
                Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by lodestar View Post
                  Don't be bloody ridiculous!
                  Any definition I gave would of course be argued and contradicted by you and you would no doubt be pointing out inconsistencies and dilemmas in what I was giving as a definition.

                  We would in short, just go around in circles (as some of you guys seem to do endlessly on this sub-forum).

                  You do not need a specific, unanimously agreed definition to simply tell me what you feel about a pope you would clearly have issues with (ie a pope who is a capitalism sceptic, climate-change realist, migrant / refugee empathiser, etc).

                  What do you think for example, his approach to the above three issues should be?
                  Would it be easy to reconcile with a modern, evolving Catholic Church?

                  I'm trying to open up the discussion, pal not go around and around.

                  Sheesh

                  Regards lodestar
                  Hello mate Hope all is well with you.

                  For centuries, members of The Catholic Church have not only preached Jesus Christs message of tolerance and honor, but Catholics of the past have in fact carried out the Lords message by helping the poor, taking in refugees, building hospitals.

                  Often Pope Francis will bring up the names of Catholics of the past in response to folks who want to know who or what it is that motivates the Pope.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Nichols View Post
                    I don't have any issues with the Pope, not sure where you are getting that from. Keep in mind I am a Roman Catholic not a "conservative or reactionary" Catholic.
                    Yep.

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