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  • #46
    Originally posted by Martok View Post
    Thanks Hida, I needed a good laugh.
    The First Amendment applies to SMS, Emails, Blogs, online news, the Fourth applies to your cell phone, computer, and your car, but the Second only applies to muskets?

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    • #47
      Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
      39 Starships destroyed, ~11,000 KIA/MIA...

      Cope meant just one Borg ship. Which, as has been shown, can be overcome by the Enterprise. The Borg, if they were really serious about resistance being "futile", should have sent an overwhelming force and been done with it. Instead, they play nicer they play nicer than Picard does when fighting a bunch of Nausicaans with one heart tied behind his back.

      Maybe the Borg have the wrong definition of "futile" stored in their memory cores.
      The First Amendment applies to SMS, Emails, Blogs, online news, the Fourth applies to your cell phone, computer, and your car, but the Second only applies to muskets?

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
        Cope meant just one Borg ship. Which, as has been shown, can be overcome by the Enterprise. The Borg, if they were really serious about resistance being "futile", should have sent an overwhelming force and been done with it. Instead, they play nicer they play nicer than Picard does when fighting a bunch of Nausicaans with one heart tied behind his back.

        Maybe the Borg have the wrong definition of "futile" stored in their memory cores.
        I just figured the Borg were like Texas Rangers...

        "One Star Fleet, One Borg Cube"...

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        • #49
          Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
          I just figured the Borg were like Texas Rangers...

          "One Star Fleet, One Borg Cube"...

          Now that is funny.
          The First Amendment applies to SMS, Emails, Blogs, online news, the Fourth applies to your cell phone, computer, and your car, but the Second only applies to muskets?

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
            Cope meant just one Borg ship. Which, as has been shown, can be overcome by the Enterprise. The Borg, if they were really serious about resistance being "futile", should have sent an overwhelming force and been done with it. Instead, they play nicer they play nicer than Picard does when fighting a bunch of Nausicaans with one heart tied behind his back.

            Maybe the Borg have the wrong definition of "futile" stored in their memory cores.
            Exactly

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            • #51
              Originally posted by copenhagen View Post
              Exactly
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              • #52
                Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
                Now that is funny.
                That statue has been at Dallas Love Field since at least 1981...
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                • #53
                  One ship because The Federation is lowly regarded by The Borg. Against Species 8472 sent thousands and lost 312 ships against just 18 bio-ships. They lost 3 Cubes just protecting Voyager when she made an escape run after agreeing to an alliance.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
                    Cope meant just one Borg ship. Which, as has been shown, can be overcome by the Enterprise. The Borg, if they were really serious about resistance being "futile", should have sent an overwhelming force and been done with it. Instead, they play nicer they play nicer than Picard does when fighting a bunch of Nausicaans with one heart tied behind his back.

                    Maybe the Borg have the wrong definition of "futile" stored in their memory cores.
                    No it can't. The Enterprise beat the Cube on it's first meeting. Remember the Borg adapt quickly. After meeting the Enterprise the first time, it's entirely possible that one Cube, after adapting, could take out the entire Starfleet.
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by R. Evans View Post
                      No it can't. The Enterprise beat the Cube on it's first meeting. Remember the Borg adapt quickly. After meeting the Enterprise the first time, it's entirely possible that one Cube, after adapting, could take out the entire Starfleet.
                      It might also be that to the Borg, a cube is a fleet.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
                        It might also be that to the Borg, a cube is a fleet.
                        No it is just one big ship that can launch boats such as Spheres, Pyramids, Diamonds, Trapezoids, Double-Helixes, Cylinders, and Parallelograms. Cubes are large because they have a lot of drones dormant in bays to board ships and to assimilate. A Federation Away-Team is a freaking joke.
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                          When one considers how the media both reflects and shapes social and culture values, especially the entertainment portion of media, then a concept like "Star Trek" with it's potential flexible format for story and theme structure and along with large audience appeal could be insightful as it went thru it's various changes of focus and "message" over the decades.

                          That would seem to be the intent and message of the article linked in the OP and I find it not just a worthwhile read, but very enjoyable and informative, insightful. I'll try to illustrate that soon in another post with select quotes/excerpts.

                          As for coming from someone in the Cato institute, given it's focus and purpose this seems well suited, especially within context of cultural influences;
                          Quotes;
                          The Cato Institute is an American libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C.
                          ....
                          Cato was established to have a focus on public advocacy, media exposure and societal influence.[8]
                          ....

                          Cato positions on political issues and policies

                          Some Cato scholars advocate policies that advance "individual liberty, limited government, free markets, and peace". They are libertarian in their policy positions, typically advocating diminished government intervention in domestic, social, and economic policies and decreased military and political intervention worldwide. Cato was cited by columnist Ezra Klein as nonpartisan, saying that it is “the foremost advocate for small-government principles in American life" and it "advocates those principles when Democrats are in power, and when Republicans are in power".[55]
                          Specific policy proposals advanced by Cato scholars include such measures as abolishing the minimum wage,[56] and abolishing affirmative action.[57] Eric Lichtblau thinks Cato is presently "one of the country’s most widely cited research organizations".[58]
                          ....
                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_Institute


                          And the Cato website as well;
                          http://www.cato.org/
                          While I generally agree with your comments about media reflecting society, I'm not sure that Star Trek in whatever version is the best reflection upon which to examine cultural and social trends. Certainly, there is some aspect that gets ghosted into a show but as to whether it's an accurate reflection is very debatable. In fact, a TV show which has barely won any awards other than from its own fan groups and holds a relatively special audience (very rabid) that networks haven't held in the highest regard in the past represents not much of a trend.

                          Mind you, I've been a Trekker for a long time, and while some of my friends lambaste me for liking Star Trek : Enterprise and while we've always viewed ST as having some interesting and even groundbreaking social points, it's rarely ever been imposed over the concept of the failures or successes of American Liberalism. In fact, most of the time, we've viewed it as a relatively conservative show. To be honest, perhaps, this is a result of having too much knowledge of what went on the set and the writers issues with the network and the producers which, to me, are a more accurate fount of what the show represented in reality.

                          As for the Cato Institute, for this particular article, it represents a missed opportunity because there is a much worthier subject to be examined if we include series from the 70s and 80s which reached a much wider audience and were not only more critically acclaimed but were much more financially successful. Since TV was especially ad-driven then, that is a much more interesting analysis than a sole show which appealed to a very specific audience. And it's in that respect, that I criticize the original article because ST is a very easy target to pick on. For instance, include Family Ties the Michael J Fox sitcom which actually depicted a Republican kid and his hippie parents during the Reagan Era. Or Hill St. Blues (one of my favorites), or Magnum PI, or Dynasty, or Highway to Heaven, or even Married with Children. All those shows had much wider or more general audiences than ST.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
                            It might also be that to the Borg, a cube is a fleet.
                            It might be that to Paramount they didn't have the budget

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Salinator View Post
                              No it is just one big ship that can launch boats such as Spheres, Pyramids, Diamonds, Trapezoids, Double-Helixes, Cylinders, and Parallelograms. Cubes are large because they have a lot of drones dormant in bays to board ships and to assimilate. A Federation Away-Team is a freaking joke.
                              It has a complement of ~130,000, virtually infinite redundancies, nearly instantaneous damage control and the fact that the Federation has never observed more than individual cubes outside of the Delta Quadrant... plus can do all the schist you just tallied up, tells me that one cube is a fleet... 15 cubes is one [email protected]$$ fleet.

                              The reason that one ship or one away team can take town a Borg Cube is the fact that the Borg lack individuality and the freedom to make full use of initiatives. The reason why only Picard/Riker/Enterprise can take down Borg Cubes is the fact that that they are the stars of the show. The same principle applied when Kirk/Spock/Enterprise took down Nero and his [email protected]$$ DP drilling rig after he had wiped out a fleet of starships near Vulcan.
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
                                That statue has been at Dallas Love Field since at least 1981...
                                I'm just pointing out your use of the pic as being funny, not the statue itself.
                                The First Amendment applies to SMS, Emails, Blogs, online news, the Fourth applies to your cell phone, computer, and your car, but the Second only applies to muskets?

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