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    He wants to track foreigners who enter the US like UPS, FedEx, or DHL tracks packages.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...Km?ocid=SMSDHP


    "This is once again a situation where the private sector laps us in the government with the use of technology," Christie said. "We should bring in the folks from FedEx to use the technology to be able to do it. There's nothing wrong with that."

    Christie said on Saturday that if he wins the November 2016 presidential election, he would use a FedEx-like system to make sure visitors who enter the United States legally on visas depart the country when their time is up. He said that 40 percent of illegal immigrants with visas overstay their visits.
    That sounds imminently doable. Cutting illegal immigration by 40% is a good start.

  • #2
    Please explain, just how you it be doable, in other words what exactly are you talking about 'doing'?
    “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
    “To talk of many things:
    Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
    Of cabbages—and kings—
    And why the sea is boiling hot—
    And whether pigs have wings.”
    ― Lewis Carroll

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    • #3
      This is literally one of the worst ideas I have heard in a long time. You want the government to basically put trackers onto every foreign national on our soil. Effects of that will be bad.


      Effects-

      1. Deprives foreigners of civil rights. Even the most repressive regimes don't put trackers into their people or foreigners.

      2. Tourism within the US will dry up. This includes students that came from abroad and are spending hundreds of thousands going to school here.

      3. Our relations with any foreign country will plummet. Technically diplomats and visiting members of foreign governments will be tracked.

      Overall I fail to see how anyone considers this anything less than a whimsical dream.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
        This is literally one of the worst ideas I have heard in a long time. You want the government to basically put trackers onto every foreign national on our soil. Effects of that will be bad.


        Effects-

        1. Deprives foreigners of civil rights. Even the most repressive regimes don't put trackers into their people or foreigners.

        2. Tourism within the US will dry up. This includes students that came from abroad and are spending hundreds of thousands going to school here.

        3. Our relations with any foreign country will plummet. Technically diplomats and visiting members of foreign governments will be tracked.

        Overall I fail to see how anyone considers this anything less than a whimsical dream.


        Shhhhhhh.... this is Gov Christie's 'Trump' moment. Heck if Trump can throw silly stuff out into the 'ring' why can't the Governor??? He's polling at 3.5% nationally on and the verge of irrelevance..... and disparate.
        “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
        “To talk of many things:
        Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
        Of cabbages—and kings—
        And why the sea is boiling hot—
        And whether pigs have wings.”
        ― Lewis Carroll

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
          This is literally one of the worst ideas I have heard in a long time. You want the government to basically put trackers onto every foreign national on our soil. Effects of that will be bad.


          Effects-

          1. Deprives foreigners of civil rights. Even the most repressive regimes don't put trackers into their people or foreigners.
          No it doesn't. It simply is a requirement for obtaining a visa. The person doesn't need to be tracked day to day but rather when their visa expires and they are still in the country it becomes an automatic flag for law enforcement and such to arrest them if the opportunity presents itself.


          2. Tourism within the US will dry up. This includes students that came from abroad and are spending hundreds of thousands going to school here.
          Why? If you don't plan on overstaying your visa you'd never even notice this.

          3. Our relations with any foreign country will plummet. Technically diplomats and visiting members of foreign governments will be tracked.
          Diplomats are obviously a different issue and they are not going to suddenly become illegal immigrants.

          Overall I fail to see how anyone considers this anything less than a whimsical dream.
          You fail to think through this scenario.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
            No it doesn't. It simply is a requirement for obtaining a visa. The person doesn't need to be tracked day to day but rather when their visa expires and they are still in the country it becomes an automatic flag for law enforcement and such to arrest them if the opportunity presents itself.




            Why? If you don't plan on overstaying your visa you'd never even notice this.



            Diplomats are obviously a different issue and they are not going to suddenly become illegal immigrants.



            You fail to think through this scenario.

            That is the proceedure today. What you're saying is nothing different and has nothing to do with a 'FedEx' still system. Please tie a method of implementing his statement to what you post or any logical system.
            “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
            “To talk of many things:
            Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
            Of cabbages—and kings—
            And why the sea is boiling hot—
            And whether pigs have wings.”
            ― Lewis Carroll

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
              That is the proceedure today. What you're saying is nothing different and has nothing to do with a 'FedEx' still system. Please tie a method of implementing his statement to what you post or any logical system.
              Then explain why ICE isn't rounding up people overstaying their visas, arresting, then deporting them?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                Then explain why ICE isn't rounding up people overstaying their visas, arresting, then deporting them?
                How do they locate them if the person overstays and hides? What reasources do you allocate?

                However that is immaterial. Once again, tie Gov Christie's idea of a FedEx system to this, as a solution. You stated it sounded simple.

                FedEx attaches Labels, scannable, to a BOX in a CLOSED system. EVERYWHERE it goes in that closed system it is scanned. So they know where it is.

                Now explain applying that to people.
                “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                “To talk of many things:
                Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                Of cabbages—and kings—
                And why the sea is boiling hot—
                And whether pigs have wings.”
                ― Lewis Carroll

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                  How do they locate them if the person overstays and hides? What reasources do you allocate?
                  Christie's idea would be to implement a system like UPS etc., uses to track packages. Overstay and you become a target of such a system that doesn't currently exist.

                  However that is immaterial. Once again, tie Gov Christie's idea of a FedEx system to this, as a solution. You stated it sounded simple.
                  Where did I state that?

                  FedEx attaches Labels, scannable, to a BOX in a CLOSED system. EVERYWHERE it goes in that closed system it is scanned. So they know where it is.
                  If you are a foreign national, the obvious method here is that you have no driver's license (or a special one pointing out your immigration status), and must present a passport for most transactions, etc. Upon doing that, you automatically get flagged as illegal and reported to law enforcement, and not just ICE but law enforcement. That is, local, state, federal.

                  Now explain applying that to people.
                  I did, now what?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                    Christie's idea would be to implement a system like UPS etc., uses to track packages. Overstay and you become a target of such a system that doesn't currently exist.



                    Where did I state that?



                    If you are a foreign national, the obvious method here is that you have no driver's license (or a special one pointing out your immigration status), and must present a passport for most transactions, etc. Upon doing that, you automatically get flagged as illegal and reported to law enforcement, and not just ICE but law enforcement. That is, local, state, federal.



                    I did, now what?
                    Most Visa holders are tourist, they have foreign Drivers licenses, just like you and I would in a foreign country.

                    What kind of transactions are you talking about? Do 7-11 clerks check passports for Gasoline purchases? Read the passport and determine if the Visa stamp is valid?

                    One again, nothing to do with FedEX, you could do that now. So no, you did not tie this to any kind of FedEx system. Try again.
                    “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                    “To talk of many things:
                    Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                    Of cabbages—and kings—
                    And why the sea is boiling hot—
                    And whether pigs have wings.”
                    ― Lewis Carroll

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                      Most Visa holders are tourist, they have foreign Drivers licenses, just like you and I would in a foreign country.
                      So, you are required to show your passport too and it gets scanned as they all have bar codes now. That tracks you if you are over your visa.

                      What kind of transactions are you talking about? Do 7-11 clerks check passports for Gasoline purchases? Read the passport and determine if the Visa stamp is valid?
                      Are you... Anyway, ones that would require you to show identification, like a bank transaction, getting a hotel room or renting an apartment, getting a job, that sort of thing. No passport, you get denied. Passport comes up as held for overstaying your visa you get reported. How hard is that to imagine?

                      One again, nothing to do with FedEX, you could do that now. So no, you did not tie this to any kind of FedEx system. Try again.
                      It's an analogy....

                      a·nal·o·gy.
                      [əˈnaləjē]

                      NOUN

                      1.a comparison between two things, typically on the basis of their structure and for the purpose of explanation or clarification:
                      "an analogy between the workings of nature and those of human societies"
                      If UPS or FedEx can track millions of packages accurately, there is no reason the US couldn't track millions of foreigners accurately.

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                      • #12
                        This is just a rhetorical device - nothing more. It is more than likely that Christie himself has no idea what he is talking about - as is evidenced by his own statements on the matter. Whereas UPS monitors the location of parcels with barcodes placed on packages, he himself has stated as a point of clarification that people aren't packages, implying of course that you can't slap barcodes on them. But if that is the case, it means he is not proposing use of a system employed by UPS. What he is actually saying is that we need to monitor them more. That is, certainly, a good idea, but he is actually not offering any suggestions other than asking UPS their opinion. Perhaps he is intimating that he would turn over the visa and immigration department to the private sector. Perhaps, he meant he would drop them all off on a deserted island with a soccer ball named Wilson. At this point, not much more than this can be deduced.

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                        • #13
                          How about if we enforced pre-existing laws?
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                          • #14
                            If you need to turn into totalitarianism to enforce your laws there's something wrong.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                              So, you are required to show your passport too and it gets scanned as they all have bar codes now. That tracks you if you are over your visa.



                              Are you... Anyway, ones that would require you to show identification, like a bank transaction, getting a hotel room or renting an apartment, getting a job, that sort of thing. No passport, you get denied. Passport comes up as held for overstaying your visa you get reported. How hard is that to imagine?



                              It's an analogy....



                              If UPS or FedEx can track millions of packages accurately, there is no reason the US couldn't track millions of foreigners accurately.
                              You can buy a Drivers license for any state from China that will pass any scanner or visual inspection you can do to it, for about $50-$100. So now this neato system of passport scanners at banks, Hotels and apartment rental offices has now been 100% circumvented.....
                              “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                              “To talk of many things:
                              Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                              Of cabbages—and kings—
                              And why the sea is boiling hot—
                              And whether pigs have wings.”
                              ― Lewis Carroll

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