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  • Salinator
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    Originally posted by Persephone View Post
    Trump is about to lose favorability among Asians...or maybe not. Last weekend in Iowa, he mocked Asians using a fake accent.
    I don't know...it is impossible to do an Asian accent with "We want deal". I think some people are trying too hard to find everything he says offensive.

    If you want to call anyone out it should be Jeb Bush who said that "anchor baby" did not refer to children of illegal Hispanics but to children of rich people from China.

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  • Persephone
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    Trump is about to lose favorability among Asians...or maybe not. Last weekend in Iowa, he mocked Asians using a fake accent.


    Trump uses broken English to mock Asians, gets laughs
    Mike Moffitt Friday, August 28, 2015

    The Republican front-runner mocked Asians with broken English while campaigning Tuesday in Dubuque, Iowa.

    http://www.sfgate.com/politics/artic...ts-6469288.php

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Persephone View Post
    The best selling piñata...




    Only because they don't offer the Obama one...little bigotry towards white people here?



    Funniest thing...everybody hates and blames the white people, but they can't wait to get to America so they live next door to them.

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  • Persephone
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    The best selling piñata...



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  • Steve573
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    Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post
    It might be uncomfortable for some but issues of race abound in politics. Blacks vote overwhelming for Dems, yet this does not seem to attract the same level of hysterical wailing about racism. Hispanics consistently vote Dem but with less passion than Blacks.

    Trump's play is to go for the broader white vote and address their concerns. He hopes to take white voters off the Dems and leave them as the party of the ethnic minority, champion of the illegal immigrant. I have no idea if it will work, I just think there is a chance this election might not follow the old rules about needing X% of the Hispanic vote to win.
    Back in the 90s California had a ballot proposition that basically just affirmed that people who received publicly funded welfare, education or healthcare must have legal status, as a citizen or legal alien. It passed with just about 60% of the vote, but this result was challenged as discriminatory to Hispanics and the liberal courts in California agreed. The governor, Democrat Grey Davis, put a stop to appeals of this ruling and the voters were overruled by the governor. Ironically Grey Davis was thrown out of office a few years later by a recall election. The voters showed that they are willing to vote on this issue, but in typical liberal maneuvering the voices of the citizens were silenced. The ballot measure itself didn't really outlaw anything that wasn't already illegal, it just added a few enforcement powers to legal authorities so they could have checked legal status before granting social services, that type of thing. The governor basically upheld the right to illegally obtain these publicly funded services, which still baffles me...as does the claim that the proposition was discriminatory based on race. Logically, the liberals claimed that to stop an illegal activity is racism if most of the perpetrators of that illegal activity belong to one ethnic group. Insane but true.

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  • Escape2Victory
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    Originally posted by Trung Si View Post
    Amen!
    And if you do you are a Bigot and a Racist, end of story.
    It might be uncomfortable for some but issues of race abound in politics. Blacks vote overwhelming for Dems, yet this does not seem to attract the same level of hysterical wailing about racism. Hispanics consistently vote Dem but with less passion than Blacks.

    Trump's play is to go for the broader white vote and address their concerns. He hopes to take white voters off the Dems and leave them as the party of the ethnic minority, champion of the illegal immigrant. I have no idea if it will work, I just think there is a chance this election might not follow the old rules about needing X% of the Hispanic vote to win.

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  • 101combatvet
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    Originally posted by ChrisF1987 View Post
    Call me a RINO, I don't care ... the fact is no Republican will ever sit behind the Resolute desk again unless he or she can win a minimum of 40% of the Hispanic vote. The only other alternative is to somehow win over 70% of the White vote ... a statistical impossibility. We (the GOP) have basically maxed out the White vote for all it's worth.

    Mitt Romney won an even greater share of the White vote than Ronald Reagan did in 1980 ... and Romney was still creamed. What does that tell you?
    Not all Hispanics are Mexican.

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  • Daemon of Decay
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    Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post
    You misunderstand. The Dems aren't solely responsible. The GOP needs to learn how to play the game and they need to do it for this election, or they are done for good.

    They need to accept what they can't change and work on what they can.
    I agree there, with the caveat that sometimes the GOP supporters place a bit of conspiracy into their arguments - over stating the anti-Republican bias in the news media for instance - as an excuse from examining their own faults.

    That's not to say that problem doesn't exist, only that when it is addressed one must be realistic. After all, the most watched cable news source in America is Fox News - the idea that the pro-GOP message is impossible to get out due to a cabal of liberal news personalities (which is a line I've heard here, more than once) is a bit self defeating.

    At this point, I don't know how easily it can win back those votes.
    They can't in just one election. Consider Hispanic voters: the GOP has for a generation basically written them off, with only George Bush polling good numbers from Hispanics before illegal immigration became a pillar of the GOP platform.

    To win they back they need to work on a long, determined plan to earn those votes. Step one is to stop believing that every poor, urban voter who collects Wellfare is a lazy parasite.

    The GOPs biggest problems are in perception: how they are viewed from the outside, and how they view others. Both have to change, at a deep and sincere level.

    As long as GOP supporters continue to cast aspersions on those minority groups (like questioning how many Hispanic voters are there legally whenever that issue is raised) it will reflect their own suspicions and negative views on the wider community.

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  • Gixxer86g
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    Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post
    Did you enjoy your little rant?

    To return you to the pertinent point, are you denying that Hispanic culture places a relatively low value on women in society? Are you denying that Hispanic immigrants bring with them an uprated risk of violence, especially against women?

    For all the horror at Trump's political incorrectness, this would seem an important question and one you ducked in your haste to clear up what an informed expert you were.
    I don't think you understand. He's got a couple of friends here. And he saw some slums when driving from the airport. And most importantly, he's read a few things. If that doesn't make one an expert, then I don't know what does.

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  • Trung Si
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    Originally posted by Steve573 View Post
    It's difficult to solve a problem if you can't even talk about it.
    Amen!
    And if you do you are a Bigot and a Racist, end of story.

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  • Steve573
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    Originally posted by ChrisF1987 View Post
    Your absolutely 100% correct but the Trump supporters disagree, they and The Donald have made it quite clear that in their view American = White Anglo ... and that is what will sink the Republicans yet again.


    Facts are facts, the only reason Trump isent polling alongside Pataki and Santorum right now is because his comments about Mexicans struck home with the knuckle dragging bigots that make up an oversized portion of the GOP base in the Deep South and the Midwest.
    Maybe so, and if the GOP loses this time around they have no one to blame but themselves for not having a candidate worth voting for. I think Trump is trying to grab headlines and appeal to a certain portion of the demographic but maybe the silver lining might be that the issue becomes a legitimate one for other candidates to talk about without being accused of racism. It's difficult to solve a problem if you can't even talk about it.

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  • ChrisF1987
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    Originally posted by Steve573 View Post
    I personally think the strength of the US, the thing that separates us from a lot of more established countries, is that we're comfortable with the idea that immigrants will come here and bring their own culture to integrate into our society. American culture is really just a mixture of all the cultures that have migrated here over the last couple of centuries ...we take if for granted that this is true and the majority of Americans are happy with that.
    Your absolutely 100% correct but the Trump supporters disagree, they and The Donald have made it quite clear that in their view American = White Anglo ... and that is what will sink the Republicans yet again.


    Facts are facts, the only reason Trump isent polling alongside Pataki and Santorum right now is because his comments about Mexicans struck home with the knuckle dragging bigots that make up an oversized portion of the GOP base in the Deep South and the Midwest.

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  • Steve573
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    Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post
    Did you enjoy your little rant?

    To return you to the pertinent point, are you denying that Hispanic culture places a relatively low value on women in society? Are you denying that Hispanic immigrants bring with them an uprated risk of violence, especially against women?

    For all the horror at Trump's political incorrectness, this would seem an important question and one you ducked in your haste to clear up what an informed expert you were.
    This is really more relevant to BF69s post but I started off agreeing with you and went on a rant! It's dismaying to me that someone from Melbourne who probably has little real first-hand knowledge of the illegal immigration situation can have such strong opinions about those who do have that first-hand knowledge. As I said in my last post I grew up within a few miles of the border...lived there for 30+ years and in my post I didn't mention violence or rape but the simple facts that people have been streaming across the border for decades and taking advantage of our loose rules about who qualifies for taxpayer-financed welfare, education and health care. Those are not generalizations about any particular race...it's a catch-22 that if you say there's an illegal immigration problem, and it also happens to be true that the overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants are Hispanic, you must be saying something against Hispanics. That's not the case, at least for me. I personally think the strength of the US, the thing that separates us from a lot of more established countries, is that we're comfortable with the idea that immigrants will come here and bring their own culture to integrate into our society. American culture is really just a mixture of all the cultures that have migrated here over the last couple of centuries...we take if for granted that this is true and the majority of Americans are happy with that. Illegal immigration is a problem, not because of who' illegally immigrating but because to not acknowledge that it's a problem is the same as saying the US has no right to have a border, no right to have any say in who comes into the country by immigrating legally, and no right to determine where we spend public funds. I lived close enough to the border that half the people I knew personally were Mexican Americans or Mexican nationals, and we went to each other's weddings, kids birthday parties, etc all the time...we went across the border to shop and the citizens of Tijuana did the same. In that part of the country there are two large cities that straddle the border and the cross-pollination of culture is natural and normal to everyday life, and we all have first hand knowledge of the problems that come with illegal immigration. Maybe our information isn't as good as you get in Melbourne, but judging by our info we know these problems exist.

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  • Escape2Victory
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    Originally posted by BF69 View Post
    How about you dig up the full post & its context before you start using half remembered statements to dismiss observations on US politics that offer considerably more insight than anything you have offered.

    I'm not claiming to be an 'honest broker', I'm claiming to know more about this than you & to be less obsessed with a pet issue - an impossibly low standard given your posting history. Have a look at some of the other posts here. Even people who are right of centre get that the GOP has a serious problem here & that they are alienating potential voters. They just disagree on who is to blame.

    I've been closely studying/following US history & politics since I was in high school over 3 decades ago. I don't just get all hot 'n heavy every time some US politician spouts a few populist one liners that tickle my prejudices because I actually have enough background on all of this to put it in context. How you doin?



    What utter bullshit. Desperate ex post facto distraction from a monumentally stupid claim about the end of 'western culture' that you've stopped trying to defend. What goes on South of the border is as much a 'Western culture' as anything that happens north of it. As I pointed out on another thread, conservatives have taken to substituting 'culture' for 'race' or 'ethnicity' in an attempt to convince people (& perhaps themselves) that this isn't just about what it is clearly all about.

    As for the 'polling data', lets look at that after the Presidential election. I will bet you cash money that GOP voters are clearly more white, male & older than the Dems. That is the only poll that matters here, not the equivalent of a bit of psephological masturbation more than 12 months out from the election. So, want to put your money where your mouth is, or is your 'polling data' not quite as sound as you might think?
    Did you enjoy your little rant?

    To return you to the pertinent point, are you denying that Hispanic culture places a relatively low value on women in society? Are you denying that Hispanic immigrants bring with them an uprated risk of violence, especially against women?

    For all the horror at Trump's political incorrectness, this would seem an important question and one you ducked in your haste to clear up what an informed expert you were.

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  • ChrisF1987
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    Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post
    They need to accept what they can't change and work on what they can.
    Well said

    There are certain realities that I think we need to accept ... sadly I don't think a good portion of the GOP base will accept those realities. Right now the GOP is more or less dominated by the Deep South and Midwest where large portions of registered Republicans are more or less stuck in the 1960s in terms of race, religion, culture, etc. This is why there is so much focus on social conservatism and issues like gay marriage which most of the nation has already come to accept as a reality that is here to stay regardless of what the "Bible thumpers" want.

    I think we are reaching the point where it may be too late the save the GOP

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