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    I guarantee everyone around this freak saw it coming.

    By PAUL DAVENPORT
    Associated Press
    PHOENIX (AP) - A Phoenix man who authorities say decapitated his wife and two dogs and gouged his own eye out let out a moaning howl in court after a prosecutor told a judge what the man had allegedly done, according to video released Monday.

    Kenneth Wakefield appeared in court Saturday after being released from a hospital and booked into jail on suspicion of murder and animal cruelty. He had a large bandage in place of a missing hand, which police said he had cut off.

    A judge set bond for Wakefield at $2 million after a prosecutor called the 43-year-old, who has a history of mental illness, a danger to the community.

    In the video, Wakefield raises his right hand to his face, lowers his head and emits a two-second howl after the prosecutor said Wakefield repeatedly stabbed and decapitated Trina Heisch.

    In a court document released Monday, police say 49-year-old Heisch was stabbed multiple times in her torso and had "defensive wounds to her hands and arms." Investigators also found several bloody knives and a large amount of blood throughout the couple's central Phoenix apartment.

    Wakefield acknowledged stabbing her multiple times before decapitating her, police said. He also told investigators he smoked marijuana and synthetic marijuana about an hour before the attack on Heisch.

    "He said he was trying to get the evil out of Trina," police said in the probable cause statement.

    Wakefield did not have an attorney when he appeared in court, but the judge, Commissioner Alysson Abe, said one would be appointed for him before his next scheduled appearance on Friday.
    http://www.cbs8.com/story/29698913/a...-howl-in-court
    Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
    Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

  • #2
    Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
    I guarantee everyone around this freak saw it coming.
    Apparently, not the neighbour and close friend who called the police.
    'I never thought he would kill her. I never thought that would happen in a million years'.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...uging-eye.html

    Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
    Is this guy nuts or a criminal?.
    Yes.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
      Apparently, not the neighbour and close friend who called the police.
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...uging-eye.html


      Yes.
      I doubt seriously he never had any prior episodes, people don't just wake up one day, behead their wife, pull out thier own eye ball and cut off an arm.
      Just saying.

      "Records from a state psychiatric review board indicate Wakefield spent a decade in a state mental hospital after stabbing a relative in 2003. He was found "guilty, except insane" on charges of attempted second-degree murder in the attack, a verdict that spared him prison.

      In November 2014, the board issued an order for county prosecutors to try to extend his stay. The board's chairwoman has said the panel did everything it could in the case to ensure community safety.

      Maricopa County prosecutors acknowledged last week that it was unsuccessful. The office was unable to proceed because of "evidentiary issues," according to spokesman Jerry Cobb."
      Last edited by Urban hermit; 03 Aug 15, 22:51.
      Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
      Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
        I doubt seriously he never had any prior episodes, people don't just wake up one day, behead their wife, pull out thier own eye ball and cut off an arm.
        Just saying.
        I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, Jim, just pointing out that apparently friends and neighbours seemed oblivious to the possible extent of his problems. Psychiatric staff may have had a completely different point of view. On the other hand, it is true that sometimes people just wake up one day, behead their wife, pull out their own eyeball and cut off an arm - because Mr. Wakefield apparently did just that. I can guarantee, however, that that will happen no more than twice in their lifetime...
        Last edited by Skoblin; 04 Aug 15, 03:50.

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        • #5
          So he's a definite danger to the community, but he's allowed to make bail?

          That's even crazier than he is.
          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            [FONT= but he's allowed to make bail?
            That's even crazier than he is. [/FONT]
            ^^^^^^^^^
            :
            Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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            • #7
              Is this guy nuts or a criminal ?

              Can he be both?
              The First Amendment applies to SMS, Emails, Blogs, online news, the Fourth applies to your cell phone, computer, and your car, but the Second only applies to muskets?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
                Is this guy nuts or a criminal ?

                Can he be both?
                Sure, but it shouldn't matter, but if he is either he shouldn't be on the streets!
                Just in the past two days we have had a 22 year old woman trying to give away her two year old boy and than she was trying to drowned her one year old in a canal, then yesterday a guy strip naked in a gas station woman's restroom then attack the next woman that entered, he ran off down the street...
                Both had been using "bath salts" and meth.
                These piles of waste shouldn't see daylight for the rest of their life.
                Last edited by Urban hermit; 04 Aug 15, 10:37.
                Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                • #9
                  On the face of it the guy is criminally insane. Leaving aside, the 'normality' he showed to neighbours, it leaves a big question mark around the mental health officials that clearly should have not let him loose in the community. Nasty, nasty case.
                  Per Ardua ad Astra

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
                    Is this guy nuts or a criminal ?

                    Can he be both?
                    Technically, yes. If his mental health issue is such that it does not impair his grip on reality and his understanding of his actions, then yes.

                    However, if his grasp on reality is insufficient for him to understand the consequences of his actions, then no.

                    There's another thread on this incident. Its really a beautiful story: this guy and his wife are both insane. Both violent, both prone to using edged weapons. Both have done extended stints in mental institutions.

                    Yet they found each other and built a life together, stabbed multiple people together, stayed together until the bitter end.

                    Its a love story that makes Titanic look like porn.

                    Personally, I've never seen anyone do a decade in a mental institution. This guy must have really been something.
                    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                      Technically, yes. If his mental health issue is such that it does not impair his grip on reality and his understanding of his actions, then yes.

                      However, if his grasp on reality is insufficient for him to understand the consequences of his actions, then no.

                      There's another thread on this incident. Its really a beautiful story: this guy and his wife are both insane. Both violent, both prone to using edged weapons. Both have done extended stints in mental institutions.

                      Yet they found each other and built a life together, stabbed multiple people together, stayed together until the bitter end.

                      Its a love story that makes Titanic look like porn.

                      Personally, I've never seen anyone do a decade in a mental institution. This guy must have really been something.
                      John Hinckley Jr. ?
                      Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                      Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
                        ...Is this guy nuts or a criminal ?...Can he be both?...
                        Nutty criminal gets my vote.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                          John Hinckley Jr. ?
                          By 'seen' I meant 'personally encounter'.

                          We had a guy decapitate his own kid and was an outpatient in less than five.

                          Although come to think about it, that classified him as being 'in' the institution, so this guy may not have done the full decade, either.
                          Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                            By 'seen' I meant 'personally encounter'.

                            We had a guy decapitate his own kid and was an outpatient in less than five.

                            Although come to think about it, that classified him as being 'in' the institution, so this guy may not have done the full decade, either.
                            My opinion, get them well, then execute the bastards.
                            Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                            Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                              My opinion, get them well, then execute the bastards.
                              Get them well?

                              Most mental illnesses are conditions, life-long situations. You can contain the worst of the effects with medication (if they take them) and counseling (if they take part), but that's about it.

                              And they're not bastards. They just functioning in a very different reality than most other people. They are acting on what is to them very real threats, dangers, and situations.

                              Its just how life goes, sometimes. You can't make it into a right or wrong, black and white situation.
                              Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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