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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Are there any "EPA bureaucrats" that are certified as operating engineers or even competent on their own to operate something like a bulldozer?

    But, since this is the evil mining company's fault for operating the mine to begin with, the EPA shouldn't be blamed...

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  • G David Bock
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    Drifting somewhat back to topic, EPA, etc.;
    EPA Dumps One Million Gallons of Wastewater Into Colorado River

    The Environmental Protection Agency, the federal agency committed to protecting “human health and the environment,” jeopardized both Wednesday by accidentally releasing one million gallons of wastewater into Colorado’s Animas River.
    EPA bureaucrats were using heavy machinery to nose around the Gold King Mine near Durango, Colorado, when they triggered the release of wastewater containing heavy metals like zinc, iron, and copper.
    ...
    http://freebeacon.com/issues/epa-dum...olorado-river/

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    I imagine so...all the "wenches" I've ever met weren't that good with conduits!

    I will yield to your superior knowledge and experience. I always just pre-thread the wire through the conduit as I assemble it and then bury the whole thing. Don't need a mouse, an air compressor or a tractor. Don't even need a red neck!
    Now, that is the redneck method. It's also prohibited in the NEC to do that...

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    I've pulled heavy large wire through conduit with a forklift, pickup, tractor, or whatever else is available. Often, it works better than a wench.
    I imagine so...all the "wenches" I've ever met weren't that good with conduits!

    I will yield to your superior knowledge and experience. I always just pre-thread the wire through the conduit as I assemble it and then bury the whole thing. Don't need a mouse, an air compressor or a tractor. Don't even need a red neck!

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
    If you could pay wellhead prices, it would be ideal. Utility prices are quite a bit higher.
    If an electric utility's per KWh cost to me (or anyone) rises above about $.25 a KWh, it becomes cheaper to generate your own electricity using gasoline, diesel, natural gas, or propane at retail prices today.

    That should tell you something about what a major fail solar and wind are. In Europe where electricity is $.20 to $.40 a KWh the only thing keeping someone from using a small generator and making their own electricity is the artificially high price of fuels due entirely to massive taxation of them.

    I could see many companies at $.30 a KWh opting to go to using a diesel or natural gas generator over continued purchase of electrical power from a regulated utility. It would simply be far cheaper for them to do that.
    I could also see Progressives like Obama calling for massive tax increases of carbon based fuels to prevent this from happening.

    But, it shows how the unintended consequences of myopic policy based on feelings, emotions, and desires. That's the Left for you. A massive fail.

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  • The Doctor
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    The power side of the electric is not really that hard. Use 353 MCM aluminum SE direct burial cable for ease of install in a trench at least 36" deep or install 4" PVC NM conduit with 353 MCM THW aluminum cable. Two hots and a 0000 neutral / ground will do the trick.

    The tricky part is designing and installing the hook up to your service panel. You'll need some additional equipment if you want to keep your utility service as a back up.

    If you have natural gas available to the lot then it's really the best choice. No separate tank necessary. Just pay for the gas used each month from your utility provider.
    If you could pay wellhead prices, it would be ideal. Utility prices are quite a bit higher.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    ^ QUOTE: "Often, it works better than a wench."

    I can think of better things to do with a wench than have her pull string/rope thru a conduit.
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/wench
    You just need the right one. With the right one she'll pull the cable through on suction alone...

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  • G David Bock
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    ^ QUOTE: "Often, it works better than a wench."

    I can think of better things to do with a wench than have her pull string/rope thru a conduit.
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/wench

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    "Shoot a rope through a conduit"? Good luck with that...and pulling with a tractor has a high probability of separating the wire inside the insulation. Talk about Red Neck Electric Company...


    You use a mouse and a string. Compressed air pushes the mouse, attach the rope to the string and voila! Rope through the conduit.



    I've pulled heavy large wire through conduit with a forklift, pickup, tractor, or whatever else is available. Often, it works better than a wench. In any case you put a "Kellems" or pull sock on the cable



    Its like a Chinese finger puzzle. The harder you pull the tighter it gets. I've done this more than a few times. Right equipment from the start and things go good.

    Meanwhile, back on topic, 16 states have filed to suspend the EPA regs pending a court case. (posted separately)

    We have a back-up generator that we can crank up and hook up to keep the critical stuff operating.

    Wonder what happens if those states just refuse to follow what are illegal regulations to begin with? States rights, anyone?
    Yep, it's not looking good for the EPA. And, I suspect the revolt against federal regulations will start at some point.
    Also, Congress is moving to pass legislation that overturns these regs as well. Even if Obama were to veto these, it is another indication to the courts that "the people" aren't pleased with his regulations and Congress doesn't agree with his claims of authority to bypass them.
    All the courts would have to say is "Mister President, get the okay from Congress and you can have your regulations..." That would absolutely **** Obama off to no end.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    That's why you shoot a rope through the conduit and use a tractor or pick up to pull the cable...
    "Shoot a rope through a conduit"? Good luck with that...and pulling with a tractor has a high probability of separating the wire inside the insulation. Talk about Red Neck Electric Company...

    Meanwhile, back on topic, 16 states have filed to suspend the EPA regs pending a court case. (posted separately)

    We have a back-up generator that we can crank up and hook up to keep the critical stuff operating.

    Wonder what happens if those states just refuse to follow what are illegal regulations to begin with? States rights, anyone?

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
    Yeah I remember pulling cables up a quarter mile to wire my place.

    Goose grease? Merde...
    That's why you shoot a rope through the conduit and use a tractor or pick up to pull the cable...

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  • Bwaha
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    Yeah I remember pulling cables up a quarter mile to wire my place.

    Goose grease? Merde...

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by jeffdoorgunnr View Post
    I'm an expert at digging holes...... the electric........gonna have to have that done by someone knowledgeable.......thanks for the stats... good to know
    The power side of the electric is not really that hard. Use 353 MCM aluminum SE direct burial cable for ease of install in a trench at least 36" deep or install 4" PVC NM conduit with 353 MCM THW aluminum cable. Two hots and a 0000 neutral / ground will do the trick.

    The tricky part is designing and installing the hook up to your service panel. You'll need some additional equipment if you want to keep your utility service as a back up.

    If you have natural gas available to the lot then it's really the best choice. No separate tank necessary. Just pay for the gas used each month from your utility provider.

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  • jeffdoorgunnr
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    The cost per KW hour has to rise above about $.25 right now to make this option viable. In the US the cost per KWh right now is about $.12. Obama's plan will raise this to somewhere around $.17 to $.22 so it puts it in the ball park to switch to a private generator system.

    I based my costs on a 10 KW generator and a 5 to 7 KW load with peaks up to about 9 KW occasionally. The 10 KW units I casually looked at cost $6,000 to $8,000. Additional materials would run about $1000.
    I can install everything but the gas hook ups myself (I'd prefer someone certified hook the gas up. I can bury a continuous line myself). The electric is nothing to do for me.
    I'm an expert at digging holes...... the electric........gonna have to have that done by someone knowledgeable.......thanks for the stats... good to know

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  • The Doctor
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    The cost per KW hour has to rise above about $.25 right now to make this option viable. In the US the cost per KWh right now is about $.12. Obama's plan will raise this to somewhere around $.17 to $.22 so it puts it in the ball park to switch to a private generator system.

    I based my costs on a 10 KW generator and a 5 to 7 KW load with peaks up to about 9 KW occasionally. The 10 KW units I casually looked at cost $6,000 to $8,000. Additional materials would run about $1000.
    I can install everything but the gas hook ups myself (I'd prefer someone certified hook the gas up. I can bury a continuous line myself). The electric is nothing to do for me.
    Maobama's plan will drive electricity rates above $0.40 per kWh...
    Today, President Obama said that he wanted 28% of America’s electricity to come from renewable energy by 2030. He has not detailed his plan, so I will assume that like California and other states with renewable targets, and like the EU graph above, hydropower is not included in counting the renewables, and thus the energy will have to come from wind and solar. (Why? In California, they admitted that hydropower was excluded because it would make it too easy to meet the renewable goals … seriously, that was their explanation.)

    Currently, we get about 4% of our electricity from wind and solar. He wants to jack it to 28%, meaning we need seven times the installed capacity. Currently we have about 231 kW/capita of installed wind and solar (see Figure 1). So Obama’s plan will require that we have a little less than seven times that, 1537 kW/capita. And assuming that we can extend the relationship we see in Figure 1, this means that the average price of electricity in the US will perforce go up to no less than 43 cents per kilowatt-hour. (This includes the hidden 1.4 cents/kW cost due to the five cents per kilowatt-hour subsidy paid to the solar/wind producers).

    Since the current average US price of electricity is about 12 cents per kilowatt-hour … that means the true price of electricity is likely to almost quadruple in the next 15 years.

    And given that President Obama famously predicted that under his energy plan electricity prices would necessarily “skyrocket” … it looks like he finally might actually succeed at something.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/08/0...nally-succeed/

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