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    Gun Control? How about demanding better control over the insane ?
    PHOENIX (AP) - A Phoenix man suspected of decapitating his wife and mutilating himself had spent about 10 years in the state mental hospital for stabbing a relative before he was recently released from custody, court records obtained Tuesday show.

    The man, whose identity hasn't been revealed by police, was approved for release 10 months ago by the Arizona Psychiatric Security Review Board based on a belief that his mental health disease was in remission and that he wasn't dangerous if he lived in a residential treatment program.

    The decision to release the man was questioned by Phoenix police after the killing.

    "Is it reasonable for them to be released in the community, what were the terms of release, and was that reasonable?" Phoenix police spokesman Trent Crump said. "That is something we are looking into."

    Investigators say the man had killed his wife, 49-year-old Trina Heisch, and inflicted injuries on himself, including a severed left forearm and a missing eye.

    The violence was discovered Saturday when a neighbor went to check on Heisch and noticed her husband's arm was cut off.

    No motive for the killing has surfaced. The suspect is expected to be arrested once he is released from a hospital.

    Asked if police could have done more to confront Heisch's husband before the attack, Crump said the police department is satisfied with its response to earlier calls involving problems at the apartment.

    "We can't tell neighbors how to feel but at a minimum it is our job to respond to calls for service," Crump said. "No excuses."

    Heisch and her husband were each sentenced to 10 years in a state mental hospital in separate stabbings of family members, the court records state.

    A judge found Heisch to be "guilty, except insane" on charges of attempted second-degree murder in the stabbing of her 15-year-old son while he was sleeping in January 2000. The verdict spared Heisch, whose son didn't face life-threatening injuries, a prison sentence.

    Her husband also was found to be "guilty, except insane" on charges of attempted second-degree murder in the stabbing of another family member in March 2003.

    Police were called to the couple's Phoenix apartment five times in recent months.

    During a June 7 call, Heisch's husband said he was on drugs and was going to burn people, prompting a visit from police and a crisis intervention team that focuses on people with mental health issues. It's unclear what sort of services he was given.

    Days earlier, the husband claimed Heisch had stabbed him, though officers learned that wasn't true. Two weeks later, Heisch was booked on suspicion of aggravated assault but no charges were filed.

    The psychiatric board "did everything that was permitted by law to ensure the safety of the community, but I can't say anything more specific than that," said Dr. Carol Olson, chairwoman of the board, citing health privacy laws.

    Two months after the board cleared Heisch's husband for release from the state hospital, it voted to order the county prosecutor's office to start proceedings

    http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articl...-from-hospital
    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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    Not to worry, in the future, robots will do this job...

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    • #3
      Hold still I gotta practice mah stabbin'! HA-HA!
      "Artillery lends dignity to what might otherwise be a vulgar brawl." - Frederick the Great

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      • #4
        I fail to see the humor in a total failure of a system resulting in murder.
        Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
          I fail to see the humor in a total failure of a system resulting in murder.
          Sometimes making something that should be absurd needs even more absurdity to point it out. The system is insane, and having a insane stabbing robot is even more insane.

          Yes, we need a system that puts the dangerously crazy in a controlled environment and having them occasionally show up for a visit to some social worker or the like is not it.

          I used to car pool with a lady that had a second job as a social worker. She had to regularly check on "clients" that were in a out patient status and she'd relate stories about these dangerous dumb f***s.
          How they'd leave the stove on, or live in absolute squalor, "self medicate" with illegal drugs, engage in dangerous activities or prostitution, and the like. How they'd trash their section 8 apartments and the land lords would then bill the government big bucks to repair them.
          But, they were free to roam in public creating all sorts of problems for other people, all in the name of "compassion."
          She'd also tell me about some of her idiot bleeding heart, feel for these f*** sticks, and how they'd say "But they are just misunderstood and just need some compassion..."

          She was concerned enough for her safety that she packed even though she wasn't supposed to.
          Last edited by T. A. Gardner; 28 Jul 15, 23:36.

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          • #6
            Everyone is missing the point:

            These two people found each other. They were both batsh*t crazy, they both enjoyed stabbing people, including their own children. Yet somehow they found each other, married, stabbed people, and each did more time in mental institutions than the average murderer serves.

            Then they got out and remained together until the end.

            Its pure poetry. As a love story it makes Titanic look like porn.
            Last edited by Arnold J Rimmer; 29 Jul 15, 09:05.
            Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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            • #7
              "Mental Health"...the 21st century's new oxymoron.

              "Mental Health professional"...another oxymoron

              "Mental health treatment"...probably the greatest oxymoron of all, next to the last and final one:

              "Psychiatric Review Board"

              Of course he looked OK; he was locked up in the nut house and fed his meds every day, but after he got out?

              We see this with prison inmates every day - they get early parole and time off for "good behavior because "they weren't a problem" while they were locked up 24 hours a day.
              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                Everyone is missing the point:

                These two people found each other. They were both batsh*t crazy, they both enjoyed stabbing people, including their own children. Yet somehow they found each other, married, stabbed people, and each did more time in mental institutions than the average murderer serves.

                Then they got out and remained together until the end.

                Its pure poetry. As a love story it makes Titanic look like porn.
                So love is a many splintered thing?
                I like the statement by Officer Crumb, basically saying, " yeah, they stabbed each other, we were called out five times in the past few months, and we did the minimum, no excuses"
                The police have thier hands tied on these cases, but they could have arrested both of these nuts five times for domestic, and disturbing the peace, I'm just frustrated because we can easily multiply this case by a factor of infinity.
                Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                  So love is a many splintered thing?
                  I like the statement by Officer Crumb, basically saying, " yeah, they stabbed each other, we were called out five times in the past few months, and we did the minimum, no excuses"
                  The police have thier hands tied on these cases, but they could have arrested both of these nuts five times for domestic, and disturbing the peace, I'm just frustrated because we can easily multiply this case by a factor of infinity.
                  Unless they have radically different statutes, they really couldn't.

                  You still have to meet the elements of an offense, even in domestic violence. Five calls to the same address over a period of months isn't that big of a deal; we do that many to the same address on a weekend in some cases.

                  Domestic issues is the biggest source of police activity in terms of call volume. I've seen single triangle generate a dozen calls in a day. Sure, if there's overt violence we can generally made an arrest, and often both parties go, but mostly you just play relationship councilor for a few minutes and then leave.
                  Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                    Everyone is missing the point:

                    These two people found each other. They were both batsh*t crazy, they both enjoyed stabbing people, including their own children. Yet somehow they found each other, married, stabbed people, and each did more time in mental institutions than the average murderer serves.

                    Then they got out and remained together until the end.

                    Its pure poetry. As a love story it makes Titanic look like porn.
                    We could call it Sticking Together... The story of a pair of homicidal maniacs stabbing their way through life and art at the movies...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                      Unless they have radically different statutes, they really couldn't.

                      You still have to meet the elements of an offense, even in domestic violence. Five calls to the same address over a period of months isn't that big of a deal; we do that many to the same address on a weekend in some cases.

                      Domestic issues is the biggest source of police activity in terms of call volume. I've seen single triangle generate a dozen calls in a day. Sure, if there's overt violence we can generally made an arrest, and often both parties go, but mostly you just play relationship councilor for a few minutes and then leave.
                      Wrong answer: FIVE calls for violent people with known psych histories is a VERY BIG DEAL.

                      PROTECT AND SERVE - remember?

                      In the good old days, the beat cop would have simply readjusted the guy's head space and timing and been on his way, problem solved. Today's LEO solve nothing and protect no one. They just show up at the crime scene and take notes.
                      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        Wrong answer: FIVE calls for violent people with known psych histories is a VERY BIG DEAL.

                        PROTECT AND SERVE - remember?

                        In the good old days, the beat cop would have simply readjusted the guy's head space and timing and been on his way, problem solved. Today's LEO solve nothing and protect no one. They just show up at the crime scene and take notes.
                        They always leave off the two operative words on that "To Protect and Serve" slogan:

                        The Government.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                          Unless they have radically different statutes, they really couldn't.

                          You still have to meet the elements of an offense, even in domestic violence. Five calls to the same address over a period of months isn't that big of a deal; we do that many to the same address on a weekend in some cases.

                          Domestic issues is the biggest source of police activity in terms of call volume. I've seen single triangle generate a dozen calls in a day. Sure, if there's overt violence we can generally made an arrest, and often both parties go, but mostly you just play relationship councilor for a few minutes and then leave.
                          Domestics also have a high propensity to go wrong, I know what you are saying, and each state can have different rules and reg.s.
                          In cases like this do you think that sometimes an officer familiar with the case may through familiarity start to dismiss the or over look the severity because the perp (s) have built a relationship and have manipulated the situation?
                          I can see that happening where a new officer with more objectivity may see the warning better than an officer who has been out several times to the same house and always sees the situation defuse.
                          Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                            Unless they have radically different statutes, they really couldn't.

                            You still have to meet the elements of an offense, even in domestic violence. Five calls to the same address over a period of months isn't that big of a deal; we do that many to the same address on a weekend in some cases.

                            Domestic issues is the biggest source of police activity in terms of call volume. I've seen single triangle generate a dozen calls in a day. Sure, if there's overt violence we can generally made an arrest, and often both parties go, but mostly you just play relationship councilor for a few minutes and then leave.
                            What kinds of incidents mandate a criminal complaint? To the best of my knowledge, none. Suspicion of domestic violence, especially against minors, compel educators and health care workers to report them to an appropriate authority: police, DA, child welfare, etc. All that does, though, is initiate an investigation. Criminal charges and/or competency proceedings may follow, but only pending the results of the investigation. In the main, however, if a spouse declines to file a criminal complaint against her/his assailant, there's little that the authorities can do.

                            Not unless we do away with that pesky presumption of innocence.
                            I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                              Domestics also have a high propensity to go wrong, I know what you are saying, and each state can have different rules and reg.s.
                              In cases like this do you think that sometimes an officer familiar with the case may through familiarity start to dismiss the or over look the severity because the perp (s) have built a relationship and have manipulated the situation?
                              I can see that happening where a new officer with more objectivity may see the warning better than an officer who has been out several times to the same house and always sees the situation defuse.
                              Well, that is a hard one to answer as a whole.

                              Myself, I find that repeat calls to the same address are a reason for increased vigilance because domestic issues tend to escalate over time; however, they tend to be resolved quicker because the more times you go, the more background you have on the couple and the clearer picture you have of their roles and capabilities.

                              While I know I'm not alone in this outlook, I could not tell you whether it is common or uncommon as a whole.
                              Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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