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  • Jade Helm and the GOP

    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/jade...racy-theories/

    I came across this article and I thought it presented a good picture of how my party has devolved into an embarrassing spectacle. The first paragraph pretty much sums it up:
    There was a time in modern history when the GOP was a party of ideas—agree with them or not, its leaders were dominated by smart people who assembled ideologically consistent policies based on facts, statistics and history. But, as Bruce Bartlett, a former senior policy analyst for Ronald Reagan, recently said, “Now it’s the party of crazy people, ignorant Tea Party people—people who know nothing and are proud of it.”
    We no longer offer any ideas, just cheap rhetoric designed to appeal to bigots and extremists. We have party 'leaders' screaming "REPEAL OBAMACARE" at the top of their lungs but they offer no solutions as to what we will do to improve healthcare and the delivery of health coverage ... and no, returning to the old ways is NOT a viable alternative.

    I think that the actions of Texas Governor Abbott have also revealed alot. Instead of telling his paranoid constituents to grow up and ditch the stupid conspiracy theories, he panders to them and orders the state militia to observe the exercise. Really? The way the citizens of Bastrop, TX treated the Army PIO was shameful. You guys a real winners, your state already produces wonders like Ted Cruz, Louie Gohmert, Rick Perry ... and now Greg Abbott who - incredibly - manages to make Perry look somewhat sane.

    It's time for the Tea Party to go ... and take the bigots, kooks, and bible thumpers along with them. Then we can have a party of ideas and appeal to younger people and minorities.

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    I agree with you and the article. The problem is most people here will brush off any criticism of their Republican Party as 'leftist lies' and blame any image problem on Obama. Everything's his fault.

    In short the base has entirely ignored the GOP's 2012 Autopsy Report.
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    • #3
      Funny, I see the same from the left. Personally I think its the Media driving people crazy whether its a left or right source.

      I hear insane things from people who do Salon or Fox. Both sides are trying hard to vilify the other...

      Keep the people divided and fighting with each other rather than allowing them to unite.

      Credo quia absurdum.


      Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ChrisF1987 View Post
        We no longer offer any ideas, just cheap rhetoric designed to appeal to bigots and extremists. We have party 'leaders' screaming "REPEAL OBAMACARE" at the top of their lungs but they offer no solutions as to what we will do to improve healthcare and the delivery of health coverage ... and no, returning to the old ways is NOT a viable alternative.
        That is one of my favorite GOP arguments at the moment, because if the GOP actually did just "repeal" Obamacare, they'd destroy their electoral chances for a generation.

        But really, the number one problem with the GOP is also seen amongst the Dems, it's just more pronounced and almost idealized by the right. That is the rejection of compromise.

        Look at the language used by "tea party" types to condemn "RINOs" and moderate Republicans. Look at how a wing of the GOP has tried to shut down the government to demand it gets what it wants. For many GOP candidates, the only threat to their reelection chances was another Republican running along bringing up how they voted with the Democrats during the 90s.

        It's not so much the values that are wrong, it's that the GOP is moving away from conservatism and into reactionary territory. The GOP can still offer a good, strong message - the problem is that they wrap it up in militant hyperbole and hardliner-approved language that it becomes lost in the right-wing song and dance.

        If the GOP remembers that it has to reach across the aisle consistently and stops punishing compromise, if the GOP focuses on its strong economic arguments and abandons its losing "culture war" nonsense, if the GOP gives up on trying to solidify its hold on a small and shrinking demographic group and actually tries to appeal to more Americans, it can still deliver a strong and enticing message based around personal liberty, economic freedom, and a celebration of what makes America great.

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        • #5
          This is why I prefer staying away from either party (or any established political parties, really). All selfish, arrogant morons who care about furthering themselves and their own interests, not the interests of the people.

          Libs don't want Obamacare because of our sake, but because of their sake and their selfish desires. Cons call the Left commie socialist liars not because they believe it, but because slandering discredits them.

          No one cares about the common person any more in American politics.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ChrisF1987 View Post
            Then we can have a party of ideas and appeal to younger people and minorities.

            You forget one thing : future does not belong to young people,but to older people :the electoral impact of older people will become bigger and bigger and will outstrip that of younger people .

            Minorities ? Every group is a minority and they all compete to have more of the shrinking resources.

            Ideas ? Do the electors want ideas ? And does the GOP want ideas ? Is it not so that the GOP wants to win the elections ?

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            • #7
              The Republicans have their issues, but so do the Democrats. When the two "major" political parties can't even come close to having a majority in voter registration what does that say about them?

              The Democrats, as now more and more the party of the Left, have an advantage in rigid lockstep thinking and political position. Historically, that has long been a strength of the Left.

              So, today in America, the biggest bloc of voters are essentially disenfranchised from the political process: Independents.

              We have two increasingly marginal political parties putting up candidates that are more and more extreme and forcing a choice between them on the majority. That is the problem.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                The Democrats, as now more and more the party of the Left, have an advantage in rigid lockstep thinking and political position. Historically, that has long been a strength of the Left.
                Once again you display what can only be a cultivated ignorance of history. Historically the political left has been riven by dissent & factionalism. Tiny factions have ben able to maintain 'discipline', but often in response to fights with other factions. Both left and right have been able to stitch together coalitions of their factions at different times, but the notion that this represents 'rigid lockstep in thinking' is quite literally a fantasy.

                Remember the 'Hardhats' mounting counter demonstrations against the 'new Left' in the Vietnam era? 'Reagan Democrats' anyone? Just two examples of many.

                The single most unifying factor for 'the left' is how much they dislike having the alternative in government, and even this has frequently not been enough to create more than a veneer of unity (if unity was achieved at all). Oddly enough this is also true of the right. Whoda thunk it?

                You are clearly capable of mastering detail when it comes to military history. Try to transfer those skills into other areas. You'll stop making embarrassingly silly statements.
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                • #9
                  The author of this nonsense is an idiot...
                  Look at the lunacies from the last few years: President Barack Obama is a Muslim; Obama was taught to hate America by his Christian minister (don’t try to reconcile those first two); Obama engineered Hurricane Sandy with a secret military radio-wave system; Obama ordered $1 billion worth of coffins for federal detention camps; Obama faked the assassination of Osama bin Laden; the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School was a “false flag” operation so Obama could take Americans’ guns; Obama told Nigeria that the United States wouldn’t help it fight terrorists until its government recognized gay marriage; Obama is arranging a deal with Iran and ISIS for them to launch a nuclear attack on America so he can obtain a third term... The list of the irrational and illogical just grows and grows.


                  Apart from the oblique reference to Jeremiah Wright, this is a list of Alex Jones / Art Bell tinfoil hat conspiracy theories unrelated to the GOP or Tea Party movement.

                  The author then drifts back to the Clinton years, before the Tea Party movement even existed and conflates another set of tinfoil hat nonsense with legitimate investigations. Why didn't the author go back to the Reagan-Bush era and babble about Reagan engineering Grenada as a distraction to Lebanon? Or VP candidate George H.W. Bush flying to Tehran on an SR-71 to get Iran to hold the hostages through the 1980 election? Mainstream Democrats treated these tinfoil hat conspiracy theories as serious issues worthy of investigation.

                  This sort of trash "journalism" could only be taken seriously by flaming libt*rds or total fracking morons.
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                  • #10
                    Bartlett is a fool : some one who writes a master's thesis about the Pearl Harbour Coverup should not be taken seriously .

                    :some one who claims that Bush jr betrayed the legacy of Reagon don't know what he is talking about ;one of Reagan's objectives was to slim down Washington : he failed (it was not his fault)and Reagan executed also liberal measures.

                    The reason Bartlett attacked Bush is that he was not getting an important post in the Bush administration .

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
                      The author of this nonsense is an idiot...
                      Look at the lunacies from the last few years: President Barack Obama is a Muslim; Obama was taught to hate America by his Christian minister (don’t try to reconcile those first two); Obama engineered Hurricane Sandy with a secret military radio-wave system; Obama ordered $1 billion worth of coffins for federal detention camps; Obama faked the assassination of Osama bin Laden; the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School was a “false flag” operation so Obama could take Americans’ guns; Obama told Nigeria that the United States wouldn’t help it fight terrorists until its government recognized gay marriage; Obama is arranging a deal with Iran and ISIS for them to launch a nuclear attack on America so he can obtain a third term... The list of the irrational and illogical just grows and grows.


                      Apart from the oblique reference to Jeremiah Wright, this is a list of Alex Jones / Art Bell tinfoil hat conspiracy theories unrelated to the GOP or Tea Party movement.

                      The author then drifts back to the Clinton years, before the Tea Party movement even existed and conflates another set of tinfoil hat nonsense with legitimate investigations. Why didn't the author go back to the Reagan-Bush era and babble about Reagan engineering Grenada as a distraction to Lebanon? Or VP candidate George H.W. Bush flying to Tehran on an SR-71 to get Iran to hold the hostages through the 1980 election? Mainstream Democrats treated these tinfoil hat conspiracy theories as serious issues worthy of investigation.

                      This sort of trash "journalism" could only be taken seriously by flaming libt*rds or total fracking morons.
                      Actually those theories are the bread and butter of the Tea Party. In fact, that's the exact thing (combined with the bigotry towards minorities, and the extreme social conservatism) that drove me away from the Tea Party.

                      Governing requires compromise from both sides of the aisle.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                        That is one of my favorite GOP arguments at the moment, because if the GOP actually did just "repeal" Obamacare, they'd destroy their electoral chances for a generation.

                        But really, the number one problem with the GOP is also seen amongst the Dems, it's just more pronounced and almost idealized by the right. That is the rejection of compromise.

                        Look at the language used by "tea party" types to condemn "RINOs" and moderate Republicans. Look at how a wing of the GOP has tried to shut down the government to demand it gets what it wants. For many GOP candidates, the only threat to their reelection chances was another Republican running along bringing up how they voted with the Democrats during the 90s.

                        It's not so much the values that are wrong, it's that the GOP is moving away from conservatism and into reactionary territory. The GOP can still offer a good, strong message - the problem is that they wrap it up in militant hyperbole and hardliner-approved language that it becomes lost in the right-wing song and dance.

                        If the GOP remembers that it has to reach across the aisle consistently and stops punishing compromise, if the GOP focuses on its strong economic arguments and abandons its losing "culture war" nonsense, if the GOP gives up on trying to solidify its hold on a small and shrinking demographic group and actually tries to appeal to more Americans, it can still deliver a strong and enticing message based around personal liberty, economic freedom, and a celebration of what makes America great.
                        Excellent post, I agree 100%

                        It's a shame your not sitting on the RNC right now, the party really needs to pay attention to your last paragraph. The social issues in particular need to be dropped.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ChrisF1987 View Post
                          Actually those theories are the bread and butter of the Tea Party. In fact, that's the exact thing (combined with the bigotry towards minorities, and the extreme social conservatism) that drove me away from the Tea Party.

                          Governing requires compromise from both sides of the aisle.
                          Your total ignorance of the Tea Party movement is comprehensive.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
                            Your total ignorance of the Tea Party movement is comprehensive.
                            All I have to do is look at your esteemed Senator Ted Cruz to learn all I need to know about the Tea Party.

                            - zero compromise across the aisle.
                            - zero tolerance for dissenting opinions (dissent = RINO).
                            - zero desire to adapt to changing realities regarding culture and demographics.

                            Here we have people who will shut down the FedGov in a temper tantrum because they dident get their way. Do you how stupid and petty that makes us look?

                            We've become the party of no. The party that has no solutions except making noise and opposing everything the opposition supports.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ChrisF1987 View Post
                              All I have to do is look at your esteemed Senator Ted Cruz to learn all I need to know about the Tea Party.

                              - zero compromise across the aisle.
                              - zero tolerance for dissenting opinions (dissent = RINO).
                              - zero desire to adapt to changing realities regarding culture and demographics.

                              Here we have people who will shut down the FedGov in a temper tantrum because they dident get their way. Do you how stupid and petty that makes us look?

                              We've become the party of no. The party that has no solutions except being really loud and opposing everything the opposition supports.
                              Your ignorance of Ted Cruz's positions and record exceeds your ignorance of the Tea Party movement.
                              Last edited by The Doctor; 20 Jul 15, 10:00.
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