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  • Is Obama following in Wilson's footsteps?

    I had a curious sense of history repeating itself: could Obama's massive efforts to get the Iranian nuclear deal cinched fail at home in the same way Wilson's efforts to get the League of Nations established flop in Congress?

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    There are many parallels between those two events.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
      I had a curious sense of history repeating itself: could Obama's massive efforts to get the Iranian nuclear deal cinched fail at home in the same way Wilson's efforts to get the League of Nations established flop in Congress?
      Not sure if they can get 2/3rds against it to make it veto proof.

      On a positive not Nancy Pelosi has read it and she is endorsing it.

      On another positive note.....if it mirrors President Wilson....the FLOTUS will be running the government for a while.....
      "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Nichols View Post
        Not sure if they can get 2/3rds against it to make it veto proof.

        On a positive not Nancy Pelosi has read it and she is endorsing it.

        On another positive note.....if it mirrors President Wilson....the FLOTUS will be running the government for a while.....
        Who's to say that she and Valerie Jerrod aren't...

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        • #5
          We had better hope not. Wilson got us into a world war even bigger than the one Obama has us in.
          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            We had better hope not. Wilson got us into a world war even bigger than the one Obama has us in.
            Worse, Wilson in giving away the farm to get a deal gave the Japanese control over most German possessions in the Pacific. He also gave them a foot in the door to China.
            That in time led to Pearl Harbor.

            The analogy would be Iran in getting piles of cash develops a nuclear weapon in time and then uses it.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
              Worse, Wilson in giving away the farm to get a deal gave the Japanese control over most German possessions in the Pacific. He also gave them a foot in the door to China.
              That in time led to Pearl Harbor.

              The analogy would be Iran in getting piles of cash develops a nuclear weapon in time and then uses it.
              Iran will get $150 billion from this deal. Is that enough? They already have centrifuges and missiles.
              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                Iran will get $150 billion from this deal. Is that enough? They already have centrifuges and missiles.
                How much would a war to ensure they can't build the nukes cost?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                  How much would a war to ensure they can't build the nukes cost?
                  And would this war even be successful, considering the last two?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                    How much would a war to ensure they can't build the nukes cost?
                    At least $150 billion worth on Iran's tab...

                    I suggest if Iran doesn't like us using their money to stomp on them they protest to the UN and get a strongly worded resolution passed condemning us for doing it...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                      At least $150 billion worth on Iran's tab...

                      I suggest if Iran doesn't like us using their money to stomp on them they protest to the UN and get a strongly worded resolution passed condemning us for doing it...
                      That doesn't answer the question. How much would it cost us, in cash and lives, to wage a war to destroy Iran's nuclear program? Are we surmising that it would be less expensive than Iraq, or more?

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                      • #12
                        I see the parallel, Wilsoon was a social liberal just like Obama.
                        But Woody would be rolling in his grave! He was as a racist as they come, after all he was a member of the KKK.
                        Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                        Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                          Worse, Wilson in giving away the farm to get a deal gave the Japanese control over most German possessions in the Pacific. He also gave them a foot in the door to China.
                          That in time led to Pearl Harbor.

                          The analogy would be Iran in getting piles of cash develops a nuclear weapon in time and then uses it.
                          US Imperialism and racism got the US in trouble with the expansionist Japanese without reason, and that started even earlier than WW1.

                          The Japanese didnt go to America looking for trouble, it was the US that went to Asia for no reason.
                          "'Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

                          - Steven Weinberg

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                          • #14
                            So who treated the Chinese better?

                            The USA or Japan?

                            The real world knows the answer to that, but that seems not to apply in Santiago.
                            "It's like shooting rats in a barrel."
                            "You'll be in a barrel if you don't watch out for the fighters!"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JAG View Post
                              US Imperialism and racism got the US in trouble with the expansionist Japanese without reason, and that started even earlier than WW1.

                              The Japanese didnt go to America looking for trouble, it was the US that went to Asia for no reason.
                              The US didn't occupy as much as a third of China, kill millions of Chinese, begin campaigns to eradicate Chinese from Japanese territory... The Japanese did.

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