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    'It's the Right Thing to Do': South Carolina Senate Votes to Remove Confederate Flag From Capitol

    South Carolina's State Senate has voted 37-3 in favor of a bill to remove a Confederate battle flag that has flown on the grounds of the State Capitol for 50 years.

    Throughout the morning Senators debated bill S. 879, which calls for the flag to be taken down and moved to an interior "relic room for appropriate display," while outside, dozens of protesters both for and against the flag's removal gathered on the lawns and streets outside.

    The debate came days after a slew of other states and corporations across America jumped quickly to pull the Confederate flag historically a symbol of the slave-holding antebellum South and later used by white supremacist groups from government buildings and store shelves. But moves to remove the flag from the South Carolina state building have proven to be more problematic. The flag is currently protected under the 2000 South Carolina Heritage Act, and previous motions for its removal from atop the capitol dome, where it flew from 1962 to 2000, and from the capitol grounds entirely, have been riddled with bureaucracy and controversy.
    VICE News - Full Article

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    SC Senate votes to remove flag from Statehouse grounds

    COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) The South Carolina Senate voted Monday to pull the Confederate flag off the Capitol grounds, clearing the way for a historic measure that could remove the banner more than five decades after it was first flown above the Statehouse to protest integration.

    A second vote will be needed Tuesday to send the proposal to the House, where it faces a less certain future. But Monday's 37-3 vote was well over the two-thirds majority needed to advance the bill.

    If the House passes the same measure, the flag and flagpole could be removed as soon as Gov. Nikki Haley signs the papers. The flag would be lowered for the last time and shipped off to the state's Confederate Relic Room, near where the last Confederate flag to fly over the Statehouse dome is stored.

    The vote came at the end of a day of debate in which several white senators said they had come to understand why their black colleagues felt the flag no longer represented the valor of Southern soldiers but the racism that led the South to separate from the United States more than 150 years ago.
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    • #3
      the flag and flagpole could be removed as soon as Gov. Nikki Haley signs the papers
      Was the flagpole racist too?
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      • #4
        I'm fine with removing it from government property since the CSA isn't, well, the country we're in.

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        • #5
          Senator Lee Bright-
          I am more against taking it down in this environment than any other time"

          "We're placing blame on what one deranged lunatic did on people who hold their southern heritage high, and I don't think that's fair.

          It's a lot more wrong than just "not fair." It associates what the deranged lunatic did with men who died on a battlefield, in a hospital or POW camp.
          The flag flies at a monument to the Confederate dead.
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          "Any story sounds true until someone tells the other side and sets the record straight." -Proverbs 18:17

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BorderRuffian View Post
            The flag flies at a monument to the Confederate dead.
            Yes, it does. And it will continue to fly there, where it is both appropriate and supported by the electorate.

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            • #7
              Is the monument on the statehouse' grounds, or removed from it by some distance?
              I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BorderRuffian View Post
                Senator Lee Bright-
                I am more against taking it down in this environment than any other time"

                "We're placing blame on what one deranged lunatic did on people who hold their southern heritage high, and I don't think that's fair.

                It's a lot more wrong than just "not fair." It associates what the deranged lunatic did with men who died on a battlefield, in a hospital or POW camp.
                The flag flies at a monument to the Confederate dead.
                If the South had had any chance of winning or if there had been no political option then the flag would not be a reminder of the pointless death of hundreds of thousands of soldiers and civilians.

                What the flag really represents is a poorly considered rush to war not Southern heritage whatever that is. It is a constant reminder of defeat but not the kind of defeat we suffered in Vietnam or other wars where we were not divided against ourselves. War is horrible but unnecessary wars especially unnecessary civil wars exponentially worse.
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                • #9
                  I'm a bit surprised at this news. It is what it is though.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                    If the South had had any chance of winning or if there had been no political option then the flag would not be a reminder of the pointless death of hundreds of thousands of soldiers and civilians.

                    What the flag really represents is a poorly considered rush to war not Southern heritage whatever that is. It is a constant reminder of defeat but not the kind of defeat we suffered in Vietnam or other wars where we were not divided against ourselves. War is horrible but unnecessary wars especially unnecessary civil wars exponentially worse.
                    I respectfully disagree. I am born and bred here in VA, and it is in fact nothing to me except southern heritage. Now you can claim it is this or that all you want, but the fact of the matter is, that flag means different things to different people. I personally see it as a big FK you to the govt imposing their will on free people. That's what the southerners felt was happening back then, and I for one am damn proud they took a stand for what they believed in.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                      If the South had had any chance of winning or if there had been no political option then the flag would not be a reminder of the pointless death of hundreds of thousands of soldiers and civilians.

                      What the flag really represents is a poorly considered rush to war not Southern heritage whatever that is. It is a constant reminder of defeat but not the kind of defeat we suffered in Vietnam or other wars where we were not divided against ourselves. War is horrible but unnecessary wars especially unnecessary civil wars exponentially worse.
                      Historical note, it was a bit of a rush by both sides. Lincoln and the Confederates both made rash decisions and called each others bluffs......problem was that no one was bluffing. Certainly the South felt that their grievances weren't being heard, and the North felt that the South had no right to take any action to redress their grievances outside of the Congress and the Courts......which the South (to some degree rightly) believed that Northern interests controlled in 1861.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by drivin-fool View Post
                        I personally see it as a big FK you to the govt imposing their will on free people. That's what the southerners felt was happening back then, and I for one am damn proud they took a stand for what they believed in.
                        Yep, nothing says 'F you big government' like killing half a million people for the right to go buy yourself some black folk. What a proud legacy indeed.
                        Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BF69 View Post
                          Yep, nothing says 'F you big government' like killing half a million people for the right to go buy yourself some black folk. What a proud legacy indeed.
                          >2015
                          >still believing the Civil War was only about slavery

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Handsome Jack View Post
                            >2015
                            >still believing the Civil War was only about slavery
                            Ahem

                            http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...s-over/396482/

                            Not going to quote the bits here-the evidence is plain to see...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by joea View Post
                              Ahem

                              http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...s-over/396482/

                              Not going to quote the bits here-the evidence is plain to see...
                              Only. ....only.

                              Slavery was an issue. A major issue. Maybe even the primary issue. But you don't get that many non slave owners to vote for secession and fight and die and lose everything just for the top 1 percent. There has to be a cause they can identify with in play as well.

                              Let's face it. The northern industrial captains stood to lose a lot of money if slavery was abolished instantly. And we know that the Congress wasn't in a hurry to abolish slavery since the 13th amendment wasn't created until after the war was completely done. The north wanted the south to buy their goods and sell raw materials. And with slaves just freed the wealthy of the south would be bankrupt and unable to do so. The north was competing with the European countries and didn't like it. .....hence some rather nasty tariffs. Unlike slavery. ....tariffs hurt and angered everyone that used primarily imported goods. ...which is to say the whole south.

                              Also, those same captains of industry had work practices that are closer to slavery than any labor practice in the modern world. Company stores and child labor and horrific conditions and pay among others.
                              Last edited by TacCovert4; 08 Jul 15, 05:32.
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