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  • Florida man caught having sex on a beach gets two and a half years in jail

    "A four-year-old child saw the activity and both Jose Caballero, 40, and the woman involved, Elissa Alvarez, 21, must now register as sex offenders"

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...nvicted-prison

    Ignoring the fact that the man in question has a criminal record hasn't the sex offender tittle been extended to the point that it no longer has any utility? Parents and other people want to know if there are sexual predators in their neighborhoods and those dangerous individuals may be getting lost in the number of people that get the sex offender tittle for being really stupid.
    We hunt the hunters

  • #2
    Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
    "A four-year-old child saw the activity and both Jose Caballero, 40, and the woman involved, Elissa Alvarez, 21, must now register as sex offenders"

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...nvicted-prison

    Ignoring the fact that the man in question has a criminal record hasn't the sex offender tittle been extended to the point that it no longer has any utility? Parents and other people want to know if there are sexual predators in their neighborhoods and those dangerous individuals may be getting lost in the number of people that get the sex offender tittle for being really stupid.
    Well said!

    First, kudos to Mr Caballero. 21.

    Seriously, these folks should receive some punishment, but they are most certainly not sex offenders.
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    • #3
      They're obviously guilty of what used to known as "lewd and indecent public behavior", and then was called "public fornication", and who knows what PC term is used for it now, but they are hardly "sex offenders" since they are both adults and the sex seems to have been consensual.

      I agree with wlfhnd that the label has been degraded to the point of uselessness.

      And 2.5 years in jail? For getting laid on the beach? People do that all of the time.
      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        They're obviously guilty of what used to known as "lewd and indecent public behavior", and then was called "public fornication", and who knows what PC term is used for it now, but they are hardly "sex offenders" since they are both adults and the sex seems to have been consensual.

        I agree with wlfhnd that the label has been degraded to the point of uselessness.

        And 2.5 years in jail? For getting laid on the beach? People do that all of the time.
        Proof that we are more liberal than the liberals
        We hunt the hunters

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        • #5
          These days just the act is sufficient for you to become a "sex offender..."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
            Proof that we are more liberal than the liberals
            Apparently so...scary thought, huh?
            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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            • #7
              If you are dumb enough to do this in the middle of the day on a public beach, you deserve whatever title they want to hang on you, including idiot. If it were that important to dip the whip, at least have the decency to take it to the water.

              Play stupid games, win stupid prizes (shrug)
              Don't waste your time always searching for those wasted years...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                Proof that we are more liberal than the liberals
                The definition of the word no longer has even the slightest bearing on the actual doctrine of the Left.

                The Liberal establishment is humorless, intolerant, self-absorbed and worst of all.... can't take any other point of view but their own seriously.
                A historical dead-end, as always.

                2.5 years because some kid saw you?
                Yeah, good ol' zero-tolerance, another gift from the Left.

                So when will the Left ban Porn?
                "Why is the Rum gone?"

                -Captain Jack

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                • #9
                  Once again, ignorance of the legal system rears its ugly head.

                  Exposing your genitals or anus to a child = sex offender.

                  That chestnut dates back to the 50s at least.

                  It doesn't matter what you're doing with it, if you go around waggling your privates at some child, be prepared, as is has been since Ike was Prez, to be labeled a sex offender heretoforth.

                  Let this be a lesion: a hotel room, a tent, or even a couple blankets are your friend.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    They're obviously guilty of what used to known as "lewd and indecent public behavior", and then was called "public fornication", and who knows what PC term is used for it now, but they are hardly "sex offenders" since they are both adults and the sex seems to have been consensual.

                    I agree with wlfhnd that the label has been degraded to the point of uselessness.

                    And 2.5 years in jail? For getting laid on the beach? People do that all of the time.
                    MM,
                    I don't know how much beach time you have, but I'm sure we share years of mountain recreation. Fishing, hunting, hiking and perhaps other activities you might share with friends of the female type. I'm not talking those posh campgrounds, but the 4X4 or off road unimproved areas. Imagine a family of day hikers or even a Boy Scout group stumbling upon the situation.
                    Jail time, a Sexual conviction that would have followed us all our lives? Destroy every thing we value in life?

                    I don't know the specifics, there are hundreds+ miles of empty dunes and sea grasses on the US Coast. Let's assume they were idiots. Still, someone should just slap the Justice system that could feel this is justice.
                    I know I'm preaching to the choir, but for those members that don't understand the horrible breach of common sense, hopefully this will help.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post
                      Well said!

                      First, kudos to Mr Caballero. 21.

                      Seriously, these folks should receive some punishment, but they are most certainly not sex offenders.
                      Mainly just an idiot and a prostitute.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                        Once again, ignorance of the legal system rears its ugly head.

                        Exposing your genitals or anus to a child = sex offender.

                        That chestnut dates back to the 50s at least.

                        It doesn't matter what you're doing with it, if you go around waggling your privates at some child, be prepared, as is has been since Ike was Prez, to be labeled a sex offender heretoforth.

                        Let this be a lesion: a hotel room, a tent, or even a couple blankets are your friend.
                        Well you didn't disappoint I knew you would be along and I knew more or less what you would say.

                        I'm not so much objecting to the law but the total lack of prevention in the mentality of it's enforcement and execution. If swift enforcement and harsh punishment prevented crime then China would be crime free. In actuality even considering the underreporting of Chinese officials there were 15,000 rapes in 2005. This is despite China offering capital punishment for committing a rape.

                        So when swifter arrest and harsher punishments prove not to be the answer we can turn registries. That too seems to be failing.
                        The false hope of sex offender registries

                        "A 2008 report funded by the U.S. Justice Department found the original Megan's Law in New Jersey to be a nonevent. The policy, researchers documented, "showed no demonstrable effect in reducing sexual re-offenses" and "has no effect on reducing the number of victims involved in sexual offenses." The zero effect had a cost above zero — nearly $4 million annually for the 15 counties included in the study."

                        http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...ka-broad-curbs

                        The truth is there is no "answer" to crime and most people realize that but what we can expect is that criminal justice resources not be squandered on poorly thought out and ineffectual programs. The idea of a sex offender registry makes sense but only if the people on it are likely to commit heinous sexual crimes. Diluting their effectiveness because the system is unable to distinguish between offenders is an example of bureaucratic incompetence.

                        Incompetent management and poorly written laws that imprison people unlikely to commit additional crimes of the same nature are bad enough but our prisons turn fairly normal citizens into harden criminals.

                        What is wrong with our culture is not exactly clear but law enforcement and our medical system both focus too many resources on non preventative measures. Both system also continue practices that are known to be ineffective because of public demand. The just throw them in prison mentality for low level drug users and the over use of CAT scans are both known to be dangerous and ineffectual yet they continue. Perhaps it is justifiable to say both systems are overwhelmed but do we ever ask why we are getting such a poor return on our investment?
                        We hunt the hunters

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                          Once again, ignorance of the legal system rears its ugly head.

                          Exposing your genitals or anus to a child = sex offender.

                          That chestnut dates back to the 50s at least.

                          It doesn't matter what you're doing with it, if you go around waggling your privates at some child, be prepared, as is has been since Ike was Prez, to be labeled a sex offender heretoforth.

                          Let this be a lesion: a hotel room, a tent, or even a couple blankets are your friend.
                          So if I was stalking someone who's life I wanted to destroy, all I have to do is send some kid running in when they are having a spontaneous moment.

                          Good to know.

                          Now that the concept of common sense no longer applies to the inJustice System, it is the most useful weapon that Evil can possible have at their disposal.
                          "Why is the Rum gone?"

                          -Captain Jack

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
                            Now that the concept of common sense no longer applies to the inJustice System, it is the most useful weapon that Evil can possible have at their disposal.
                            Second most. First comes government, and after the courts comes taxes.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                              Once again, ignorance of the legal system rears its ugly head.

                              Exposing your genitals or anus to a child = sex offender.

                              That chestnut dates back to the 50s at least.

                              It doesn't matter what you're doing with it, if you go around waggling your privates at some child, be prepared, as is has been since Ike was Prez, to be labeled a sex offender heretoforth.

                              Let this be a lesion: a hotel room, a tent, or even a couple blankets are your friend.
                              DAMN IT HOLLY, READ THE WHOLE THREAD!!

                              This idiot was on a public beach in front of multiple individuals? Mr. AC/DC changes current.
                              If I'd been walking along a Pacific Public Beach with my Grandkids, and the guy reacted the way it was described in the OP, the lady might have loved me, because if I had a belt with a heavy buckle, I'd beat his behind bloody.
                              Still not sure about the life time conviction as a sexual predator, but the Dude definitely needed to be put to some legal pain.
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