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  • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Except the monument was donated...
    This doesn't seem like something you would care about what's up?
    We hunt the hunters

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    • Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
      This doesn't seem like something you would care about what's up?
      I enjoy poking a pointy stick at Atheists. They're like a fish you find on the beach. It flops around a lot when you poke it and is more interesting than the girls that tell you to off...

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      • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
        I enjoy poking a pointy stick at Atheists. They're like a fish you find on the beach. It flops around a lot when you poke it and is more interesting than the girls that tell you to off...

        You get a lot girls telling you to off? Really...nooooo...who would have thunk?

        Contrary to your and Doctor's wishes the US isn't at theocracy.

        Maybe just Texas...
        #occupyarmchairgeneral.
        Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes to be true. Demosthenes.
        Against logic there is no armor like ignorance. Laurence J. Peter

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        • Originally posted by Crash View Post
          You get a lot girls telling you to off? Really...nooooo...who would have thunk?
          At least they don't hold me down, beat me up, and take my lunch money like they do to you...

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          • Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
            I guess you really can't read.
            Son, in about 6 to 7 years your brain will be fully developed, at that time you should be able to articulate your true feelings. While your brain develops, talk to mommie and daddie about why you hate religion so much.
            "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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            • Originally posted by Nichols View Post
              Son, in about 6 to 7 years your brain will be fully developed, at that time you should be able to articulate your true feelings. While your brain develops, talk to mommie and daddie about why you hate religion so much.
              I don't hold religion in very high regard either and I refer conservatives to the views of many of the U.S. founding fathers who were the progressives of their day.

              I'm more of a Mark Twain atheist however and only enjoy discussing the issue with priest and clergy who have two or more years of philosophy which itself is a dubious field of study
              We hunt the hunters

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              • Originally posted by Nichols View Post
                Son, in about 6 to 7 years your brain will be fully developed, at that time you should be able to articulate your true feelings. While your brain develops, talk to mommie and daddie about why you hate religion so much.
                Whenever you lose control of an argument you start talking about age because logic won't help you.


                Where in your post is there any substance?
                First Counsul Maleketh of Jonov

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                • Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
                  They won't be discriminating against anyone. There are no "supreme laws of the land" which are enforceable by State, county or local officials.



                  Texas constitution...
                  Sec. 3. EQUAL RIGHTS. All free men, when they form a social compact, have equal rights, and no man, or set of men, is entitled to exclusive separate public emoluments, or privileges, but in consideration of public services.

                  Sec. 3a. EQUALITY UNDER THE LAW. Equality under the law shall not be denied or abridged because of sex, race, color, creed, or national origin. This amendment is self-operative.

                  (Added Nov. 7, 1972.)


                  Sec. 4. RELIGIOUS TESTS. No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.
                  Sexual deviancy is not listed. Sex, race, color, creed and national origin are listed.

                  Religious freedom is expressly protected...
                  Sec. 6. FREEDOM OF WORSHIP. All men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own consciences. No man shall be compelled to attend, erect or support any place of worship, or to maintain any ministry against his consent. No human authority ought, in any case whatever, to control or interfere with the rights of conscience in matters of religion, and no preference shall ever be given by law to any religious society or mode of worship. But it shall be the duty of the Legislature to pass such laws as may be necessary to protect equally every religious denomination in the peaceable enjoyment of its own mode of public worship.
                  Marriage is defined as...
                  Sec. 32. MARRIAGE. (a) Marriage in this state shall consist only of the union of one man and one woman.
                  (b) This state or a political subdivision of this state may not create or recognize any legal status identical or similar to marriage.

                  (Added Nov. 8, 2005.)
                  The SCOTUS ruling renders Sec. 32 unenforceable. That is all that it does under Texas law.

                  For those uneducated in the US Constitution:

                  This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

                  What did you post about bad behavior, doc?

                  This is Mr Paxton's oath to the people of Texas:

                  "I,________,do solemnly swear (or affirm), that I will faithfully execute the duties of the office of ___ of the State of Texas, and will to the best of my ability preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States and of this State, so help me God."

                  If Mr Paxton won't do his job and violate his oath he should man up and resign.....instead of asking others to violate the law and their oaths.

                  Yes folks...this is the type of man the Right parades on their shoulders!


                  Last edited by Crash; 01 Jul 15, 11:35.
                  #occupyarmchairgeneral.
                  Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes to be true. Demosthenes.
                  Against logic there is no armor like ignorance. Laurence J. Peter

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                  • Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
                    Whenever you lose control of an argument you start talking about age because logic won't help you.


                    Where in your post is there any substance?
                    It's how your brain is developed, nothing for you to get your panties all wadded up over.

                    If you started to realize this is a discussion and not an arguement, you wouldn't post the bigotry anti-religion crap that you consistantly post.
                    "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                    • Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                      Not because of Gay marriage... but reading his piece would be work.

                      http://time.com/3939143/nows-the-tim...-institutions/

                      He wants them gone for many reasons the main one being:
                      A quick side note. Liberals desperate to raid church offering plates will find that halting a church's tax exempt status on the grounds of being a church will not stop said church from being tax exempt for a host of other reasons. One does not need to be religious to be a tax exempt non profit. That's just one qualifier of many. So leftists salivating over the prospect of swiping from the offering plate may be disappointed. In order to tax free will donations to churches you would have to adopt a scorched earth policy that would catch a number of secular non profits in the crossfire. The price to pay for the satisfaction of taking from Christians would be the shaking down of, among other things, children's cancer centers.

                      Best to just leave well enough alone.
                      A new life awaits you in the off world colonies; the chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure!

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                      • Originally posted by Pirateship1982 View Post
                        A quick side note. Liberals desperate to raid church offering plates will find that halting a church's tax exempt status on the grounds of being a church will not stop said church from being tax exempt for a host of other reasons. One does not need to be religious to be a tax exempt non profit. That's just one qualifier of many. So leftists salivating over the prospect of swiping from the offering plate may be disappointed. In order to tax free will donations to churches you would have to adopt a scorched earth policy that would catch a number of secular non profits in the crossfire. The price to pay for the satisfaction of taking from Christians would be the shaking down of, among other things, children's cancer centers.

                        Best to just leave well enough alone.
                        You missed his point, making church's tax exempt means that you have now made the federal government the entity that determines who/what is a church. Do you want them to have that power?
                        “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                        “To talk of many things:
                        Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                        Of cabbages—and kings—
                        And why the sea is boiling hot—
                        And whether pigs have wings.”
                        ― Lewis Carroll

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                        • Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                          You missed his point, making church's tax exempt means that you have now made the federal government the entity that determines who/what is a church. Do you want them to have that power?
                          Miriam-Webster already defined what a church is although there is evidence as of late that the Supreme Court has trouble intellectually grasping the definition of simple words like "the state" so you have a point. However you do need to go with the lesser of two evils. Have you considered the consequences of a church under taxation?

                          Assuming you can clear out enough 501c3 qualifiers to nail a church into a taxable bracket, what most proponents of church taxation often overlook is how this effectively dissolves "separation of church and state". Right now church and state have an understanding between each other that the state doesn't interfere with the church and the church doesn't play politics. 501c3 is effectively the treaty that seals this since a church enjoys tax exempt status conditional upon it being an apolitical institution. Now, if you tax churches regardless of their political involvement, that incentive goes bye bye. As there is no longer a financial incentive to stay on the sidelines, and as Americans love the phrase "no taxation without representation" you now have a church with no reason not to be political and every reason (and right) to become so. Secular progressives should take a moment and ask themselves if they really want the combined financial might of American religion investing money into political lobbying. Individual Christians lobby right now as grassroots operations. But now that the separation of church and state has been dropped with the government being the entity that moved to cross the line, now you have paved the way for organized religion as a whole to start lobbying politicians and lobbyists carry a fair amount of weight, well funded lobbyists being the real "power behind the throne". As it stands, organized religion could easily outlobby atheism and 501c3 is the only thing keeping them from doing so. Sure if they do the ACLU and FFR will squeal but there isn't much they can do about it. Those megachurches have deep pockets.

                          Still feel like opening that box?



                          And here's the thing. Smart liberals will know that this will happen and the realization of the consequences of a church under taxation will prompt even the most corrupt among them to not fiddle with the definition of "church". Heck that's probably why most Dems have only given the concept of church taxation lip service. It's better to leave the church alone then to open the doors on a potential political juggernaut.

                          That's something even I'm not sure I want to see.

                          So it's better for all sides to just leave well enough alone.
                          A new life awaits you in the off world colonies; the chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure!

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                          • Originally posted by Pirateship1982 View Post
                            Miriam-Webster already defined what a church is although there is evidence as of late that the Supreme Court has trouble intellectually grasping the definition of simple words like "the state" so you have a point. However you do need to go with the lesser of two evils. Have you considered the consequences of a church under taxation?

                            Assuming you can clear out enough 501c3 qualifiers to nail a church into a taxable bracket, what most proponents of church taxation often overlook is how this effectively dissolves "separation of church and state". Right now church and state have an understanding between each other that the state doesn't interfere with the church and the church doesn't play politics. 501c3 is effectively the treaty that seals this since a church enjoys tax exempt status conditional upon it being an apolitical institution. Now, if you tax churches regardless of their political involvement, that incentive goes bye bye. As there is no longer a financial incentive to stay on the sidelines, and as Americans love the phrase "no taxation without representation" you now have a church with no reason not to be political and every reason (and right) to become so. Secular progressives should take a moment and ask themselves if they really want the combined financial might of American religion investing money into political lobbying. Individual Christians lobby right now as grassroots operations. But now that the separation of church and state has been dropped with the government being the entity that moved to cross the line, now you have paved the way for organized religion as a whole to start lobbying politicians and lobbyists carry a fair amount of weight, well funded lobbyists being the real "power behind the throne". As it stands, organized religion could easily outlobby atheism and 501c3 is the only thing keeping them from doing so. Sure if they do the ACLU and FFR will squeal but there isn't much they can do about it. Those megachurches have deep pockets.

                            Still feel like opening that box?



                            And here's the thing. Smart liberals will know that this will happen and the realization of the consequences of a church under taxation will prompt even the most corrupt among them to not fiddle with the definition of "church". Heck that's probably why most Dems have only given the concept of church taxation lip service. It's better to leave the church alone then to open the doors on a potential political juggernaut.

                            That's something even I'm not sure I want to see.

                            So it's better for all sides to just leave well enough alone.
                            Churches don't play politics?

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                            • Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                              Churches don't play politics?
                              Not really. Some do but its subtle. People of religion play politics but they operate financially independent of houses of worship. Churches don't use their bank accounts to bankroll politicians. Said politicians must earn their support from individual Christians and private Christian business. And churches don't hire lobbyists. At best they use volunteers. All that changes if you tax the church.

                              Boils down to one question. How would you like the Vatican or the megachurches buying influence in Washington through lobbies and using lobbyist power to influence congressional votes? Right now they don't. Want that to change?
                              A new life awaits you in the off world colonies; the chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure!

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                              • One interesting point lost in this is that Kennedy is the same justice that back when DOMA was an issue a few years back came down and stated gay marriage was a states issue not a federal one.
                                Today, apparently it is a federal issue not a state one for him.

                                Strange how that can change in just a few years, cutting both ways to the favor of the LGBT community...

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