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  • 101combatvet
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    Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
    Sorry, internet myth.
    Source?

    https://www.nrahq.org/history.asp

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  • Combat Engineer
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    Originally posted by Nichols View Post
    Appease them by backing Jim Crow laws and segregation...

    That is why it took so long for the civil rights act to pass.

    That is why it took women so long to get the right to vote.

    That is why the KKK was formed.

    That is why the NRA was formed.

    Earlier Crash claimed:



    Do you agree with his statement?
    Please point out where this is the case for the NRA. Here is a link to the NRA website where it describes its founding:

    https://www.nrahq.org/history.asp

    Dismayed by the lack of marksmanship shown by their troops, Union veterans Col. William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate formed the National Rifle Association in 1871. The primary goal of the association would be to "promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis," according to a magazine editorial written by Church.
    After being granted a charter by the state of New York on November 17, 1871, the NRA was founded. Civil War Gen. Ambrose Burnside, who was also the former governor of Rhode Island and a U.S. Senator, became the fledgling NRA's first president.

    An important facet of the NRA's creation was the development of a practice ground. In 1872, with financial help from New York state, a site on Long Island, the Creed Farm, was purchased for the purpose of building a rifle range. Named Creedmoor, the range opened a year later, and it was there that the first annual matches were held.

    Political opposition to the promotion of marksmanship in New York forced the NRA to find a new home for its range. In 1892, Creedmoor was deeded back to the state and NRA's matches moved to Sea Girt, New Jersey.
    Sorry, internet myth.

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  • Daemon of Decay
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    Originally posted by Nichols View Post
    With that in mind, do you think the Democrats can be "unwrapped from racism and white supremacy?
    Yes, because a political party changes with time and subsequent generations. The GOP of today is not the same party that freed the slaves; the democrats are not the same party that won WW2. Parties are even more fluid than symbols, in many ways, because parties can act, while symbols are mere reflections.

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  • wolfhnd
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    One thing that I find interesting is that there does seem to be a tendency for military people to honor fallen soldiers even their enemies.

    Is there a poll somewhere that shows how people with military experience feel about the confederate battle flag as opposed to the general population?

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  • Nichols
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    Originally posted by Nichols View Post
    With that in mind, do you think the Democrats can be "unwrapped from racism and white supremacy?
    Originally posted by Crash View Post
    You are masterdebating with yourself again...

    Show me the post in 21 pages where someone said racism is limited to Republicans. In fact, for the people with a clue we are debating the Confederate flag...it's you that's limited the flag to Republican's, isnt it??

    In fact, I'm positive racism exists above the south,eh...hummm?
    Sweetheart, I'm not from Virginia.

    So are you now claiming that you can't "unwrap racism and supremacy" from the CBF..... But you can unwrap it from the Democrats? What have you been smoking?

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  • Crash
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    Originally posted by Nichols View Post
    ....and they were Demcrats....

    Too bad you can't change history Crash.
    You are masterdebating with yourself again...

    Show me the post in 21 pages where someone said racism is limited to Republicans. In fact, for the people with a clue we are debating the Confederate flag...it's you that's limited the flag to Republican's, isnt it??

    In fact, I'm positive racism exists above the south,eh...hummm?
    Last edited by Crash; 01 Jul 15, 01:15.

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  • Nichols
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    Originally posted by Crash View Post
    hi

    What are you talking about Willis?


    Oh...the KKK...they are awesome because they know how to keep their laundry very white.

    The nice thing about a burning cross in your front yard at sunrise...easier to find your newspaper.

    Best part of having to use the door around the back....closer to the black washroom.

    The best thing about going to Robert E Lee High school? He's dead...the loser can no longer keep your family in slavery.

    ...is this mic on...



    ....
    ....and they were Demcrats....

    Too bad you can't change history Crash.

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  • Nichols
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    Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
    I believe so, yes. I don't think anyone can cherry pick what a symbol means. Anyone who claims that the confederate flag means one thing alone is trying to impose just one impression or meaning onto that symbol.
    With that in mind, do you think the Democrats can be "unwrapped from racism and white supremacy?
    Last edited by Nichols; 01 Jul 15, 01:05.

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  • Nichols
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    Originally posted by frisco17 View Post
    What does the NRA have to do with any of this?
    The Democrats didn't want Blacks to be armed, the NRA was founded to protect Black Rights to the 2nd Amendmant.

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  • Crash
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    hi
    Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
    I believe so, yes. I don't think anyone can cherry pick what a symbol means. Anyone who claims that the confederate flag means one thing alone is trying to impose just one impression or meaning onto that symbol.
    What are you talking about Willis?

    The Nazi's didn't approve of smoking cigarettes so that's what their swastika represents!


    ....oh but..ya...er...sorry sir...forget that they unfortunately didn't disapprove of smoking millions of Jews to death with gas.



    Oh...the KKK...they are awesome because they know how to keep their laundry very white.

    The nice thing about a burning cross in your front yard at sunrise...easier to find your newspaper.

    Best part of having to use the door around the back....closer to the black washroom.

    The best thing about going to Robert E Lee High school? He's dead...the loser can no longer keep your family in slavery.

    ...is this mic on...



    ....
    Last edited by Crash; 01 Jul 15, 00:59.

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  • frisco17
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    Originally posted by Nichols View Post
    That is why the NRA was formed.
    What does the NRA have to do with any of this?

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  • wolfhnd
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    Too bad the rest of the world has no idea how to compromise.

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  • Daemon of Decay
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    Originally posted by Nichols View Post
    Do you agree with his statement?
    I believe so, yes. I don't think anyone can cherry pick what a symbol means. Anyone who claims that the confederate flag means one thing alone is trying to impose just one impression or meaning onto that symbol.

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  • Nichols
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    Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
    So for most of the 20th century the Democrats had to appease their southern Democrats to maintain their electoral domination in Congress.
    Appease them by backing Jim Crow laws and segregation...

    That is why it took so long for the civil rights act to pass.

    That is why it took women so long to get the right to vote.

    That is why the KKK was formed.

    That is why the NRA was formed.

    Earlier Crash claimed:

    Originally posted by Crash View Post
    Then they are morons...you can't unwrap racism and supremacy from the Confederate Flag. It's not racism or heritage....it's a racist heritage.
    Do you agree with his statement?

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  • frisco17
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    Originally posted by drivin-fool View Post
    The Confederate flag should be removed from state grounds, government buildings, but that's where it stops. A government should represent all of it's citizens, not just a few (however it would appear that is not the case anymore, as the entire federal government seems as though it doesn't give a rats *** about ordinary Americans).
    It should be removed from US government buildings because it's a symbol of armed rebellion against the United States and the greatest threat this country has ever faced.

    That said, no private citizen should ever be stopped from displaying it in any way they chose. There's nothing inherently wrong with the flag and people ascribe far more meaning to it than it actually has, namely as the standard of the Army of Norther Virginia and the jack of the Confederate Navy. If anything this whole mess is actually making me start to sympathize with the people who want to fly the flag. I generally think of it as a relic of traitors but I'm also a sucker for people being able to do what they want in spite of the PC brigade. I guess it's the old disapproving of what they do but defending their right to do it thing. That and anything that pisses off the social justice warriors can't be all bad.

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