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  • Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
    The sad thing is that they get plenty of air time.

    And it's easy to see why: look at how passionate people have become about the relocation of one flag. That sort of passion sells airtime to viewers, and the media outlets know it. It's how they get their money: people tuning in to cluck dismissively at the direction the country is headed in.
    It's like a reality show to be honest. The media raises/gives an issue/problem and the politicians tackle the problem in their own ways while the people following the show vote for their favorites. Politics and media seem to be tied together more than politics and people or people and media these days.
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    • Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
      Now that South Carolina has removed the Flag at the capital it doesn't make me feel anything but disappointed it was done under pressure. In the same headlines I read this story I also see that Global warming is killing bumble bee's, Donald Trump is a troll, and research into woman's physiology has to be treated with care not to offend them. A victory for the politically correct crowd is not a victory for reason.
      I'd note that much of the Left's arguments for Gorebal Warming have become "It's a moral imperative!" now rather than arguing the science.

      The problem with everything being turned into a popularity contest is that the outcome is rarely the right one or the best one. Instead it is the most popular one.

      Black Sabbath said it best: "If you listen to fools, the mob rules..."

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      • Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
        I guess it all goes to prove that in general the people on this forum are more reasonable than most. I don't recall anyone here thinking this sort of thing was a good idea.

        My impression is that some of the correspondents to this August Forum were dismissive of the idea that matters could progress that far.
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        • Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
          The Georgia state flag that was used from 1956 to 2001 featured a prominent

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          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_o...8U.S._state%29
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          Has anyone else noted the resemblance between the present Georgia state flag and the Confederate First National? I am sure that it is mere coincidence.
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          • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
            While I haven't said much, if anything on this, I have a question:

            If this:



            And this:



            Are symbols of racism, bigotry, hate, and war in the name of such, why is no one complaining about this:



            As but one example of what seems to be hypocrisy on the part of those demanding the removal of all things Confederate...
            Oh boy, care to name government property that the Rising Sun flag is flying over in the US? No? Then move along.
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            • Originally posted by R. Evans View Post
              Oh boy, care to name government property that the Rising Sun flag is flying over in the US? No? Then move along.
              What does that have to do with it? I'm pointing out there are no cries of racism or hatred by anyone against the Japanese flag. Germany reverted to a flag similar to pre-Nazi days after WW 2.
              The Swastika has become a pariah everywhere. Japanese flag? Not a peep. I'm sure there are more flags and symbols that can be drug up for similar abuse that haven't been bothered with.

              Seems to me this is a much to do about nothing really. It is the Leftist PC crowd looking to tear down the past and all of history if you ask me more than anything else. They just look for stuff to pick at.

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              • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                What does that have to do with it? I'm pointing out there are no cries of racism or hatred by anyone against the Japanese flag. Germany reverted to a flag similar to pre-Nazi days after WW 2.
                The Swastika has become a pariah everywhere. Japanese flag? Not a peep. I'm sure there are more flags and symbols that can be drug up for similar abuse that haven't been bothered with.

                Seems to me this is a much to do about nothing really. It is the Leftist PC crowd looking to tear down the past and all of history if you ask me more than anything else. They just look for stuff to pick at.
                What does that have to do with it? Care to read the f**king thread title?!!!

                Try keeping up.
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                • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                  What does that have to do with it? I'm pointing out there are no cries of racism or hatred by anyone against the Japanese flag.
                  Probably because it's not being flown on public property within the United States.

                  Go to some areas of Korea and China and ask those people what the Imperial Japanese flag means to them, and you'll certainly get a very different response.

                  Like with most things like this, it isn't an objective either/or situation, but tied up heavily in context, subjective experiences, and cultural history.

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                  • Originally posted by R. Evans View Post
                    Oh boy, care to name government property that the Rising Sun flag is flying over in the US? No? Then move along.
                    While the Rising Sun does not fly over government property in the US...it is however still used by the Japanese Military. It is an example of selective outrage. The Swastika in outlawed in Germany but Imperial Japan that killed move people than Nazi Germany did still flies her battle flag proudly.
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                    • Originally posted by Salinator View Post
                      While the Rising Sun does not fly over government property in the US...it is however still used by the Japanese Military. It is an example of selective outrage. The Swastika in outlawed in Germany but Imperial Japan that killed move people than Nazi Germany still flies her battle flag proudly.
                      How is it selective outrage? That flag isn't being flown here on government property as the CBF is.

                      And Japan killed more than Germany? First I've heard of that.
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                      • Originally posted by R. Evans View Post

                        And Japan killed more than Germany? First I've heard of that.
                        Yeah if you look at the 'exploits' of Unit 791 with bio warfare in China...
                        Credo quia absurdum.


                        Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                        • Originally posted by R. Evans View Post
                          How is it selective outrage? That flag isn't being flown here on government property as the CBF is.
                          I'm not saying selective outrage from you. I'm merely making a point that outrage is selective by people.

                          If the current German government used the Swastika in any form...most of people that fought Nazi Germany would scream...but apparently no one gives a **** about the Rising Sun because it was primarily Asians getting killed. On the other hand...the Chinese wouldn't give it **** about the Swastika because China was supplied and trained by Nazi Germany in her war against Japan until the Tripartite Pact and never directly do anything against China.

                          Originally posted by R. Evans View Post
                          And Japan killed more than Germany? First I've heard of that.
                          Like I said...selective outrage. In this case...most of us here are Euro-centric when it comes to knowledge of history and war. I'm betting that probably nine out ten here did not even know that Japan still uses the Rising Sun...but every fricking member here knows that the Swastika is illegal in Germany. So it would be no surprise to me if the majority here does not know that Japan killed more. And you think Nazi Germany was the only one with gas chambers?
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                          • Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                            Probably because it's not being flown on public property within the United States.

                            Go to some areas of Korea and China and ask those people what the Imperial Japanese flag means to them, and you'll certainly get a very different response.

                            Like with most things like this, it isn't an objective either/or situation, but tied up heavily in context, subjective experiences, and cultural history.
                            I agree it isn't objective. That's my point. This is a subjective thing dreamed up primarily by the Left. It's the same thing as forcing the City of Los Angeles to remove a tiny cross in it's seal.
                            But, the danger in it is that it is also a death of a thousand paper cuts so-to-speak. When a vocal minority can erase history for all intents there's a serious problem.
                            That's where the Left is heading us. Towards a 1984-ish future of revisionist history and fiction where PC rules and the past is forgotten. That's a bad thing.

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                            • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                              What does that have to do with it? I'm pointing out there are no cries of racism or hatred by anyone against the Japanese flag. Germany reverted to a flag similar to pre-Nazi days after WW 2.
                              The Swastika has become a pariah everywhere. Japanese flag? Not a peep. I'm sure there are more flags and symbols that can be drug up for similar abuse that haven't been bothered with.

                              Seems to me this is a much to do about nothing really. It is the Leftist PC crowd looking to tear down the past and all of history if you ask me more than anything else. They just look for stuff to pick at.
                              The Swastika Flag was the emblem of the Nazi Party. It became the German flag in 1933 & remained so until 1945. it remained the flag of the Nazi party & it still symbolizes all that party stood for.

                              'Deutschland Uber Alles' in different configurations has been the German national anthem more or less continuously since 1922, including the Nazi period. The current version uses a different selection of lyrics, but the same tune that Hitler used to salute to.

                              The Rising Sun flag with rays dates back to 1870 & the Meiji Restoration. It was a military flag and it remains one. The particular version in current usage was & is the flag of the Navy. The Rising Sun flag with just the disc on a white background became the national flag at the same time & it remains the national flag (slightly altered).

                              The Confederate battle flag represented combatants of a nation that existed for 4 years & only came into existence because some US states sensed a threat to slavery. It was revived as a big 'F**k You' to the Civil Rights movement.

                              The differences here are clear to anyone who cares to see them. You won't be among them of course.

                              I note with some amusement that when I pointed out to you on another thread that you wouldn't be able to resist the chance to scream 'hypocrisy' at a 'Liberal' over the issue of the Confederate flag you smugly pointed out your lack of interest in that issue. Guess you just can't resist. Told ya.
                              Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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                              • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                                I agree it isn't objective. That's my point. This is a subjective thing dreamed up primarily by the Left. It's the same thing as forcing the City of Los Angeles to remove a tiny cross in it's seal.
                                But, the danger in it is that it is also a death of a thousand paper cuts so-to-speak. When a vocal minority can erase history for all intents there's a serious problem.
                                That's where the Left is heading us. Towards a 1984-ish future of revisionist history and fiction where PC rules and the past is forgotten. That's a bad thing.
                                TAG, this thread has gone from here to there. You’re heart’s in the right place. Trying to support it with the Rising Sun, might be an over reach. Sal has covered most of my experience and thoughts about the Japanese actions during the War. I lived with my Avatar for many years.
                                His years with the Red Raiders in the Pacific, had him fighting the G***m J*p bastards. He knew what Sal has researched. During his time in N. Afr./Med/ Italy, he was fighting the G***m Nazi bastards. He had an idea in his mind about the difference between a race and an ideology.
                                Right or wrong, this was one man’s viewpoint, and I respect it as much as I do the posts of our lcmd1.
                                Back to the OP...the “slippery slope” argument is a strong one. Many Lib. are going to try to keep the momentum going. Hopefully something else will distract them.
                                I’m not sure how long the ANV flag, (can we at least agree on the discription for arguments sake?) has flown over any State grounds.
                                I am aware that a few State Flags were modified during the 50's at the time of “Brown vs Board of Education” and the fight for Civil Rights.. These I find weak in the historical concept of the ACW argument. If it was so critical to identification, why wait so long?

                                Being in the NW, I am not sure what day the Confederate Active Groups place flags in National or State cemeteries over the graves of their fallen. But this Yankee would be proud to decorate their graves on that day, as a protest to the present ruling. I wouldn’t do it as a political statement, but as respect for what Grant described.
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