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  • Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
    The document provides for the procedures used by our government. Now such procedure was provided for. Explicit instructions were given on how the states would approve and 'join' the union. None were given for leaving.
    Therefore, the Tenth Amendment was the only controlling legal authority prior to Texas v White.
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    • Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
      Yes, it was on a very small scale. No they were not repairing damage to the south from the war in the 1900's.
      Economically it took the South all the way up to the 1960's to recuperate from the war. And no, it wasn't on any small local little scale at all.

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      • Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
        Yes, it was on a very small scale. No they were not repairing damage to the south from the war in the 1900's.
        Now this is just disgusting. The Southern economy was destroyed and a whole generation nearly killed off. Entire cities were burned and populaces relocated. Untold amounts of property was burned, destroyed and stolen.

        And you claim it was "very small scale." Just disgusting.

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        • Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
          Eventually, enough free States would have been admitted to enable a constitutional amendment. The belief that Lincoln intended to do everything in his power to accelerate this process was just the match that lit the powder keg of a long list of grievances.




          These charts show how many words were devoted to the issues raised in each state's Declaration as a percentage of the whole. "Context" refers to procedural language and/or historical exposition that is not connected to a specific argument.
          As I've ask in many of these threads, if States Rights were so important how come the Confederate Constitution STRIPPED the right to end slavery from the very states that joined it?
          “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
          “To talk of many things:
          Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
          Of cabbages—and kings—
          And why the sea is boiling hot—
          And whether pigs have wings.”
          ― Lewis Carroll

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          • Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
            Preserve slavery from what? Absent a constitutional amendment, there was no legal mechanism to end it.
            That seemed to be Lincoln's view, as well -- and that's what prompted the Southern states to secede: if only free states were to be admitted to the Union, then the slave states would find themselves in a minority position, and under the US Constitution, if the slave states' share in Congress fell to one-third of the seats, and one-quarter of the states overall, then slavery could conceivably be abolished via constitutional amendment. The South's leaders knew that they couldn't get new slave states admitted to the Union in order to maintain mathematical balance, so they chose secession instead. When politics looked unlikely to serve them, the South's leaders chose secession. It was not, contrary to Lost Cause revisionism, thrust upon them from without.
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            • Originally posted by Charger View Post
              Now this is just disgusting. The Southern economy was destroyed and a whole generation nearly killed off. Entire cities were burned and populaces relocated. Untold amounts of property was burned, destroyed and stolen.

              And you claim it was "very small scale." Just disgusting.
              Only in the rewritten "Birth of a Nation" type of history.
              “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
              “To talk of many things:
              Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
              Of cabbages—and kings—
              And why the sea is boiling hot—
              And whether pigs have wings.”
              ― Lewis Carroll

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              • Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                Only in the rewritten "Birth of a Nation" type of history.
                The Union soldiers acted like a bunch of savages to be honest. Look, you may be able to claim the moral high ground in terms of slavery, maybe, but in terms of conduct on the battle field and how the war was waged you cannot claim the very same. In fact, the South could have marched on Washington at the start of the war and raised it to the ground, but they didn't. In hindsight perhaps they should have.

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                • It has been said that those who do not know and understand history are doomed to repeat it. So from that perspective there is usually some point to spirited discussions about controversial historical events.

                  That being said, I've come to believe that these "Was secession legal? or "What was the ACW about?" type threads amount to little more at this stage than mental masturbation. And some of you are really into it and are convinced the experience has to be shared.

                  Now, I'm not going to say that masturbation is always a bad thing. But if I'm going to engage in it I'm not under the illusion that I'm making anybody climax but me.
                  "Shoot for the epaulets, boys! Shoot for the epaulets!" - Daniel Morgan

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                  • Originally posted by Charger View Post
                    Ah yes, these are our benevolent "brothers" who only want their "brothers" back into the Union

                    Nothing says "we're all Americans and need to unite!" by wanton destruction and total war
                    It was certainly no more hypocritical a stance than the slaveowners': "we own slaves for their own good; they're happier in bondage you know."
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                    • Originally posted by walle View Post
                      The Union soldiers acted like a bunch of savages to be honest. Look, you may be able to claim the moral high ground in terms of slavery, maybe, but in terms of conduct on the battle field and how the war was waged you cannot claim the very same. In fact, the South could have marched on Washington at the start of the war and raised it to the ground, but they didn't. In hindsight perhaps they should have.
                      Rubbish. Disconnected from reality to the extreme.
                      “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                      “To talk of many things:
                      Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                      Of cabbages—and kings—
                      And why the sea is boiling hot—
                      And whether pigs have wings.”
                      ― Lewis Carroll

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                      • Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                        Only in the rewritten "Birth of a Nation" type of history.
                        Wow...just wow.

                        You need to spend some serious time studying the aftermath of the war on the Southern states.

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                        • Texas vs White determined that unilateral secession was and is unconstitutional. The southern states might have thought they had that right before the war, as the issue has not yet been settled by a Supreme Court ruling, but their decision means that in actuality the southern states were acting unconstitutionally.

                          If I am not mistaken, only way for their secession to be constitutional now would be for an amendment to allow it or for there to be another Supreme Court ruling to counter the first.

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                          • Originally posted by Charger View Post
                            Thank you for agreeing that the war was not about slavery, but unification.
                            Unification of those states that left the Union in fear that they would lose the right to hold others in slavery.
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                            Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                            you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                            • Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                              Unification of those states that left the Union in fear that they would lose the right to hold others in slavery.
                              Correct, among other reasons.

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                              • Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                                Rubbish. Disconnected from reality to the extreme.
                                Not at all. Though I understand if you would like it to be.

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