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  • Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
    Best kind of war to wage if you have the resource and it's needed. Whats wrong with that?
    Raping burning and pillaging is seldom necessary in war, unless of course, you seek to annihilate not just the enemy troops but also seek to brutalize the civilian population.

    It's first in the 1960's the South had fully recovered. The entire society was destroyed.

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    • Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
      Fiction. Sorry doesn't apply.
      Not fiction. You still haven't shown in the Constitution where secession is illegal.

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      • Originally posted by walle View Post
        Raping burning and pillaging is seldom necessary in war, unless of course, you seek to annihilate not just the enemy troops but also seek to brutalize the civilian population.
        It happens on a small scale in EVERY war and was part and parcel in war until sometime in the 1700's.

        It was only practiced one, WWII.
        “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
        “To talk of many things:
        Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
        Of cabbages—and kings—
        And why the sea is boiling hot—
        And whether pigs have wings.”
        ― Lewis Carroll

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        • Originally posted by Charger View Post
          Not fiction. You still haven't shown in the Constitution where secession is illegal.
          He can't because it wasn't illegal.

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          • Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
            Strawman, if you fire into my house first then you are the aggressor.

            You still didn't answer the question. Would you have preferred that the South had won.
            No, the correct scenario is you have a group of people voluntarily living on a property and some decide to leave, but the rest won't get off of their land, so the leavers push them off, and then the rest of the group attacks and takes all the land.

            And I did answer the question. Maybe you should read the thread? I'm getting really tired of people not reading my posts.

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            • Originally posted by Charger View Post
              Not fiction. You still haven't shown in the Constitution where secession is illegal.
              The document provides for the procedures used by our government. Now such procedure was provided for. Explicit instructions were given on how the states would approve and 'join' the union. None were given for leaving.
              “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
              “To talk of many things:
              Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
              Of cabbages—and kings—
              And why the sea is boiling hot—
              And whether pigs have wings.”
              ― Lewis Carroll

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              • Originally posted by walle View Post
                He can't because it wasn't illegal.

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                • Originally posted by Charger View Post
                  The war was fought over reunification, and it was fought because of people not wanting to be naked.
                  If you have some first hand documents showing Confederate politicians and soldiers claiming they were fighting to not be naked, then please post them.

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                  • Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                    It happens on a small scale in EVERY war and was part and parcel in war until sometime in the 1700's.
                    We're not talking about random brutality here, and it's not on a small scale either when it takes up to the 1960's to recuperate from that onslaught.

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                    • Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                      The document provides for the procedures used by our government. Now such procedure was provided for. Explicit instructions were given on how the states would approve and 'join' the union. None were given for leaving.
                      Amendment X

                      The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

                      I'm getting really tired of this

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                      • Originally posted by walle View Post
                        We're not talking about random brutality here, and it's not on a small scale either when it takes up to the 1960's to recuperate from that onslaught.
                        Yes, it was on a very small scale. No they were not repairing damage to the south from the war in the 1900's.
                        “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                        “To talk of many things:
                        Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                        Of cabbages—and kings—
                        And why the sea is boiling hot—
                        And whether pigs have wings.”
                        ― Lewis Carroll

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                        • Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                          And yet many southern states claimed that that was the North's goal and why they had to secede. Were they blowing smoke or lying?
                          Eventually, enough free States would have been admitted to enable a constitutional amendment. The belief that Lincoln intended to do everything in his power to accelerate this process was just the match that lit the powder keg of a long list of grievances.




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                          • Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                            If you have some first hand documents showing Confederate politicians and soldiers claiming they were fighting to not be naked, then please post them.
                            They were fighting to be their own country. I cannot believe this is so difficult to understand for some people.

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                            • Originally posted by Charger View Post
                              Amendment X

                              The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

                              I'm getting really tired of this
                              Creating the union is not a POWER of the Federal Government, it was a procedure that was spelled out in the document. No such procedure for leaving the union was approved nor agreed upon. The 10th has nothing to do with it.
                              “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                              “To talk of many things:
                              Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                              Of cabbages—and kings—
                              And why the sea is boiling hot—
                              And whether pigs have wings.”
                              ― Lewis Carroll

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                              • Originally posted by Charger View Post
                                Ah yes, these are our benevolent "brothers" who only want their "brothers" back into the Union

                                Nothing says "we're all Americans and need to unite!" by wanton destruction and total war
                                Thanks, good to know that you're not an American. Please move. All the Southern people that I've met are proud Americans. Best officers that I served with were from the south, all Americans.
                                "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                                Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                                you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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