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    Joe Biden now has a replacement as the dumbest person to ever serve in the US Senate...
    The fossil-fuel industry’s campaign to mislead the American people

    By Sheldon Whitehouse May 29

    Sheldon Whitehouse, a Democrat, represents Rhode Island in the Senate.
    Fossil fuel companies and their allies are funding a massive and sophisticated campaign to mislead the American people about the environmental harm caused by carbon pollution.

    [...]

    Thankfully, the government had a playbook, too: the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, or RICO. In 1999, the Justice Department filed a civil RICO lawsuit against the major tobacco companies and their associated industry groups, alleging that the companies “engaged in and executed — and continue to engage in and execute — a massive 50-year scheme to defraud the public, including consumers of cigarettes, in violation of RICO.”

    [...]

    To be clear: I don’t know whether the fossil fuel industry and its allies engaged in the same kind of racketeering activity as the tobacco industry. We don’t have enough information to make that conclusion. Perhaps it’s all smoke and no fire. But there’s an awful lot of smoke.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...7ac_story.html
    23
    Charged with Treason.
    8.70%
    2
    Tarred and feathered.
    13.04%
    3
    Forced to freeze in the dark.
    13.04%
    3
    Encouraged to push a RICO suit against AGW skeptics.
    13.04%
    3
    Incarcerated in a mental institution.
    30.43%
    7
    All of the above.
    13.04%
    3
    I'm so stupid that I will reply with a complaint about the poll being biased even though I haven't read the post.
    8.70%
    2
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  • #2
    The Post is rapidly eclipsing the National Enquirer in terms of quality.
    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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    • #3
      And Doc is rapidly eclipsing both the Post and Obama in terms of his own mendacity and duplicity.

      His last poll choice is a direct copy of Obama's "anybody who questions me is a racist" response, only slightly reworded.

      In practical terms this whole issue, so terribly important to the Doc, is a non-starter since there is zero basis for charging anyone with a RICO crime, of all things, but Doc does love to sensationalize his Church of Climatology.


      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        And Doc is rapidly eclipsing both the Post and Obama in terms of his own mendacity and duplicity.

        His last poll choice is a direct copy of Obama's "anybody who questions me is a racist" response, only slightly reworded.

        In practical terms this whole issue, so terribly important to the Doc, is a non-starter since there is zero basis for charging anyone with a RICO crime, of all things, but Doc does love to sensationalize his Church of Climatology.


        Actually, the last poll response was in reference to this...

        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        Sorry, Doc...I'm sure your comments are both interesting and relevant, but I'm under strict orders to ignore you from the forum management.
        Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
        So you have no idea what the post actually says?
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        • #5
          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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          • #6
            The danger in bringing such a lawsuit is that the defendants will bring a huge pile of evidence in that the AGW crowd are equally culpable for falsifying data and reports favorable to AGW and limiting carbon.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
              The danger in bringing such a lawsuit is that the defendants will bring a huge pile of evidence in that the AGW crowd are equally culpable for falsifying data and reports favorable to AGW and limiting carbon.
              Discovery goes both ways...
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              • #8
                I'm in favor of criminalizing freedom of speech. We don't need no stinkin' First Amendment.
                Don't leave good whiskey for the damn Yankees!" John Hunt Morgan, Eagleport, Ohio, July 23, 1863

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by guthrieba View Post
                  I'm in favor of criminalizing freedom of speech. We don't need no stinkin' First Amendment.
                  I'm in favor of criminalizing fraud...
                  NOAA/NCDC’s new ‘pause-buster’ paper: a laughable attempt to create warming by adjusting past data

                  June 4, 2015
                  Did SNL’s Tommy Flanagan Oversee the New Surface Temperature Data?

                  By Bob Tisdale and Anthony Watts, commentary from Dr. Judith Curry follows

                  There is a new paper published the journal Science about the recent slowdown in global surface warming (released from embargo today at 2PM eastern). It is from Tom Karl and others at NOAA’s newly formed NCEI, National Centers for Environmental Information (a merger of three NOAA data centers: NCDC, NODC and NGDC) and from the government-consulting firm LMI. The lead author is Tom Karl, Director of NCEI and Chair of the Subcommittee on Global Change Research (SGCR) of the U.S. Global Change Research Program (USGCRP). The paper is Karl et al (2015) Possible artifacts of data biases in the recent global surface warming hiatus. “Possible” is obviously the key word in the title.

                  There is a big push by the American Association for the advancement of Science (AAAS) to promote this paper.

                  [...]

                  Clearly, with each revision of data, NCDC is making the past cooler and the near present warmer through their adjustment process of the original data. To revisit something said in regards to a previous news story about NCDC’s tendency to adjust data as time goes on, so much so that they can’t even tell us with certainty anymore which month in the past century was the warmest on record, this is still applicable:
                  “Is history malleable? Can temperature data of the past be molded to fit a purpose? It certainly seems to be the case here, where the temperature for July 1936 reported … changes with the moment,” Watts told FoxNews.com.

                  “In the business and trading world, people go to jail for such manipulations of data.”

                  Hold that thought, because NCDC is at it again.


                  [...]

                  http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/0...ing-past-data/

                  The National Centers for Environmental Information used to actually be 3 separate scientific entities: NCDC (National Climatic Data Center), NGDC (National Geophysical Data Center) and NODC (National Oceanographic Data Center). A "data center' collates and analyzes data. An "information center" disseminates information - AKA propaganda center.

                  Adjusting past data to make the 1930's cooler can reasonably be explained through data homogenization requirements. Adjusting the late-1990's to make them cooler relative to the early 2000's is nothing less than fraud.
                  Last edited by The Doctor; 04 Jun 15, 18:00.
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                  • #10
                    So we make "stupid" a crime, but no clear line on whom defines "stupid" ???
                    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                    • #11
                      Misleading title and claim.
                      "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it"
                      G.B Shaw

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sergio View Post
                        Misleading title and claim.
                        Fossil fuel companies and their allies are funding a massive and sophisticated campaign to mislead the American people about the environmental harm caused by carbon pollution.

                        [...]

                        Thankfully, the government had a playbook, too: the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, or RICO.
                        Watts Up With That? | The world's most viewed site on global warming and climate change.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
                          Fossil fuel companies and their allies are funding a massive and sophisticated campaign to mislead the American people about the environmental harm caused by carbon pollution.

                          [...]

                          Thankfully, the government had a playbook, too: the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, or RICO.
                          You could, of course, quote from the rest of the article where it goes into more detail, but then doing more than selectively quoting would actually put things in perspective. Then again it is all probably a Maoist plan hatched by arch Maoist Obama.
                          "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it"
                          G.B Shaw

                          "They promised us homes fit for heroes, they give us heroes fit for homes."
                          Grandad, Only Fools and Horses

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sergio View Post
                            You could, of course, quote from the rest of the article where it goes into more detail, but then doing more than selectively quoting would actually put things in perspective. Then again it is all probably a Maoist plan hatched by arch Maoist Obama.
                            I could quote the entire article and not support your idiotic accusation of a "misleading title and claim"...
                            Their activities are often compared to those of Big Tobacco denying the health dangers of smoking. Big Tobacco’s denial scheme was ultimately found by a federal judge to have amounted to a racketeering enterprise.

                            The Big Tobacco playbook looked something like this: (1) pay scientists to produce studies defending your product; (2) develop an intricate web of PR experts and front groups to spread doubt about the real science; (3) relentlessly attack your opponents.

                            Thankfully, the government had a playbook, too: the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, or RICO.


                            This is not the first time Stalinist US legislators have threatened AGW skeptics with RICO.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
                              I could quote the entire article and not support your idiotic accusation of a "misleading title and claim"...
                              Their activities are often compared to those of Big Tobacco denying the health dangers of smoking. Big Tobacco’s denial scheme was ultimately found by a federal judge to have amounted to a racketeering enterprise.

                              The Big Tobacco playbook looked something like this: (1) pay scientists to produce studies defending your product; (2) develop an intricate web of PR experts and front groups to spread doubt about the real science; (3) relentlessly attack your opponents.

                              Thankfully, the government had a playbook, too: the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, or RICO.


                              This is not the first time Stalinist US legislators have threatened AGW skeptics with RICO.
                              Stalinist - ah yes another well reasoned and evidence argument. Cheers Doc.
                              "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it"
                              G.B Shaw

                              "They promised us homes fit for heroes, they give us heroes fit for homes."
                              Grandad, Only Fools and Horses

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