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  • More and more of our young people are not religious

    Another study says that more and more of our young people are unconnected to religion.

    http://newscenter.sdsu.edu/sdsu_news...aspx?sid=75623
    Compared to the late 1970s, twice as many 12th graders and college students never attend religious services, and 75 percent more 12th graders say religion is “not important at all” in their lives. Compared to the early 1980s, twice as many high school seniors and three times as many college students in the 2010s answered "none" when asked their religion.
    […]
    "These trends are part of a larger cultural context, a context that is often missing in polls about religion,” Twenge said. “One context is rising individualism in U.S. culture. Individualism puts the self first, which doesn't always fit well with the commitment to the institution and other people that religion often requires. As Americans become more individualistic, it makes sense that fewer would commit to religion.”
    The original article is at http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0121454

    The question I would ask: If Conservatives teach the principle of Individualism, are they actually doing damage to the concept of collectivism that a religion must advocate in order to be successful?
    Homo homini lupus

  • #2
    Actually, I would say individualism drives towards the destruction of the power of organised religion. Ie. the members of the religion say what the church should think, rather than the church saying what the members should think.
    Wisdom is personal

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Jannie View Post
      The question I would ask: If Conservatives teach the principle of Individualism, are they actually doing damage to the concept of collectivism that a religion must advocate in order to be successful?
      Interesting question.

      Individualism ties in with free will.

      Throughout history collectivism has been the most effective method of damaging religion, communism just one is an example.
      "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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      • #4
        Individualism, many times characterized as 'rugged individualism' has been an American characteristic since the first settlers arrived on the North American continent.

        Tying that to a decline in religion, church attendance, or who is Christian or not is ludicrous.

        Sincerely,
        M
        We are not now that strength which in old days
        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Massena View Post
          Individualism, many times characterized as 'rugged individualism' has been an American characteristic since the first settlers arrived on the North American continent.

          Tying that to a decline in religion, church attendance, or who is Christian or not is ludicrous.

          Sincerely,
          M

          Massena, you are only helping to perpetuate a myth.

          Actually, Massena, even on the frontier, individuals HAD to collect together in groups for safety, as the early Kentucky surveyors did. The Long Hunters went in groups to the wilderness. They may have hunted as an individual but they would meet up and camp together and travel together. Even Daniel Boone on his journey into the wilderness to settle land took his extended family with him.

          Studies have shown that in most of the early Kentucky Forts, the majority of folks were interrelated by blood or marriage. The young single men were often related in some way to the older married folks in the forts. And Kentucky was in a great measure settled by the "Traveling Church" which was a group of Baptists seeking a refuge from the established Anglican church in Virginia because they were being persecuted prior to the Revolution.

          I do family history and find that most people on the frontier had some sort of relationship to their neighbors and associates. A genealogist is taught to look to a man’s neighbors to find his relationships and relatives. A collective is a group with similar interests and goals.

          My definition of collectivism is group goals and cohesion. Any social group is in a sense “a collection” of folks with similar interests. I am not speaking of collectivism in a socialistic way. Even a group of investors is a collective of those who have similar interests. If you receive a proxy vote paper and you vote for someone to be a voting member of the board, you are a part of a collective. When you join any group of people you are a part of a collective. We are a collective here as we are joining together to discuss issues. (See Wikipedia-- http://www.ask.com/wiki/Collectivism...apn&ap=ask.com)

          A church is a collective. An individual church that meets in a single building is a small collective, but if it is a part of an organized church then the small church is a member of a larger collective.
          Last edited by Jannie; 01 Jun 15, 10:27.
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          • #6
            There are many issues involved here, not least of which is the poor public performance of religion itself these days.

            Everywhere we look we see religious leaders being accused of major violations of financial laws, putting personal gains and things like private jets ahead of the basics of religion, becoming involved in scandaal and behaving like drugged out rock stars, while elsewhere religious leaders have become murderous fanatics.

            Meanwhile, religions worldwide have failed utterly to successfully address the major issues confronting the world population of today, things like hunger, over-population, rising moral corruption and violence, especially violence towards women.

            Religions want everything and give back nothing. Small wonder that membership is down.
            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jannie View Post
              Kentucky, the majority of folks were interrelated
              Some things never change! (sorry, I couldn't resist).

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jannie View Post
                Massena, you are only helping to perpetuate a myth.

                Actually, Massena, even on the frontier, individuals HAD to collect together in groups for safety, as the early Kentucky surveyors did. The Long Hunters went in groups to the wilderness. They may have hunted as an individual but they would meet up and camp together and travel together. Even Daniel Boone on his journey into the wilderness to settle land took his extended family with him.

                Studies have shown that in most of the early Kentucky Forts, the majority of folks were interrelated by blood or marriage. The young single men were often related in some way to the older married folks in the forts. And Kentucky was in a great measure settled by the "Traveling Church" which was a group of Baptists seeking a refuge from the established Anglican church in Virginia because they were being persecuted prior to the Revolution.

                I do family history and find that most people on the frontier had some sort of relationship to their neighbors and associates. A genealogist is taught to look to a man’s neighbors to find his relationships and relatives. A collective is a group with similar interests and goals.

                My definition of collectivism is group goals and cohesion. Any social group is in a sense “a collection” of folks with similar interests. I am not speaking of collectivism in a socialistic way. Even a group of investors is a collective of those who have similar interests. If you receive a proxy vote paper and you vote for someone to be a voting member of the board, you are a part of a collective. When you join any group of people you are a part of a collective. We are a collective here as we are joining together to discuss issues. (See Wikipedia-- http://www.ask.com/wiki/Collectivism...apn&ap=ask.com)

                A church is a collective. An individual church that meets in a single building is a small collective, but if it is a part of an organized church then the small church is a member of a larger collective.
                Being an 'individual' or practicing what is sometimes referred to as 'individualism' does not mean you are alone on the mountain and that's that.

                Collectivization is more a meaning of a hive mentality where everyone thinks as one.

                And just because a person belongs to a group, such as a religion, the armed forces, or goes to school, it does not mean that they are not individuals or possess the characteristic of individualism.

                It seems to me that you are mixing ideas and definitions to suit your own premise/ideas and are not based on facts-merely your own personal prejudices.

                Sincerely,
                M
                We are not now that strength which in old days
                Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                • #9
                  I think there are a number of factors contributing to this issue. One is the hypocrisy that so many see within the church and its clergy. Another is the scandals that have taken place, whether it be the sexual abuse of children or the immoral lifestyle of ones like Jimmy Swaggart. Then there is religion's role in the conflicts and wars around the globe and hold it responsible for the death and unrest afflicting millions of people.
                  I think there are many young ones who see the suffering in the world and horrific conditions and reason that there must be no god for these to exist or if there is a god and he allows such, they want no part of him.
                  "War is hell, but actual combat is a motherf#cker"
                  - Col. David Hackworth

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DeltaOne View Post
                    I think there are a number of factors contributing to this issue. One is the hypocrisy that so many see within the church and its clergy. Another is the scandals that have taken place, whether it be the sexual abuse of children or the immoral lifestyle of ones like Jimmy Swaggart. Then there is religion's role in the conflicts and wars around the globe and hold it responsible for the death and unrest afflicting millions of people.
                    I think there are many young ones who see the suffering in the world and horrific conditions and reason that there must be no god for these to exist or if there is a god and he allows such, they want no part of him.
                    Exactly.
                    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Massena View Post
                      Being an 'individual' or practicing what is sometimes referred to as 'individualism' does not mean you are alone on the mountain and that's that.

                      Collectivization is more a meaning of a hive mentality where everyone thinks as one.

                      And just because a person belongs to a group, such as a religion, the armed forces, or goes to school, it does not mean that they are not individuals or possess the characteristic of individualism.

                      Sincerely,
                      M
                      Exactly!
                      My definition as well.
                      Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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                      • #12
                        The term "individual;" is not synonymous with the personality trait of "individualism".

                        The bottom line answer is that religion today does not meet the perceived needs of the youth; therefore, they are not attracted to it.
                        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DeltaOne View Post
                          I think there are many young ones who see the suffering in the world and horrific conditions and reason that there must be no god for these to exist or if there is a god and he allows such, they want no part of him.
                          Don,

                          I doubt the kids that participated in the poll have done much traveling outside of their immediate neighborhood.

                          What suffering they have seen has probably been on the micro level; who's dating who, what to wear, driving a car, grades...........
                          "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Nichols View Post
                            Don,

                            I doubt the kids that participated in the poll have done much traveling outside of their immediate neighborhood.

                            What suffering they have seen has probably been on the micro level; who's dating who, what to wear, driving a car, grades...........
                            I am not so sure about that Paul. With the power of modern media, everyone knows exactly what is happening without the need of traveling the world. This is especially true of the conflicts that have religion as the basis of why they are taking place. The battles of today are not so much over a line drawn on a map (as is the case in the Ukraine). They are not over fields of rice. They ARE over beliefs in god, whether that be in the ME, the Balkans, in Africa, etc..
                            One thing I learned super quick as a parent - kids pick up on hypocrisy real quick! The 'do as I say, not as I do' just plain does not work!
                            Another factor why so many kids are not attracted to religion is the fact that most parents today do not set the example for their kids to follow.
                            Then we have the factor that we have a work week that runs seven days a week and twenty-four hours a day. People work instead of attending church.
                            We also have a society where recreation comes in a close second to working so on their days off, people are at the lake, camping, traveling, hanging with friends. They just don't 'have time' for religion.
                            "War is hell, but actual combat is a motherf#cker"
                            - Col. David Hackworth

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DeltaOne View Post
                              They just don't 'have time' for religion.
                              And for that, religion itself is solely to blame. The original concept supposedly preached by Christ was that religion was within each and every individual. It required no temples, no priests and no ceremonies...just a private communion between the individual and deity any time and any place the individual wished.

                              But religion organized itself, expanded itself and set up temples, religious "leaders", published rule books and set up fully scripted and controlled ceremonies on specific days in order to obtain and maintain control over large numbers of people, and thus created the conditions for their own downfall.


                              As I said, religion of today isn't meeting the needs of the people because it is no pnger about the needs of the people, but about the "needs" of organized religion itself.
                              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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