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  • NSA bulk phone records collection to end despite USA Freedom Act failure

    Originally posted by The Guardian

    NSA bulk phone records collection to end despite USA Freedom Act failure.

    Even as the Senate remains at an impasse over the future of US domestic surveillance powers, the National Security Agency will be legally unable to collect US phone records in bulk by the time Congress returns from its Memorial Day vacation.

    The administration, as suggested in a memo it sent Congress on Wednesday, declined to ask a secret surveillance court for another 90-day extension of the order necessary to collect US phone metadata in bulk. The filing deadline was Friday, hours before the Senate failed to come to terms on a bill that would have formally repealed the NSA domestic surveillance program.

    “We did not file an application for reauthorization,” an administration official confirmed to the Guardian on Saturday.

    The administration decision ensures that beginning at 5pm ET on 1 June, for the first time since October 2001 the NSA will no longer collect en masse Americans’ phone records.

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    At least Obama is willing to stand up to Big Government where some Republican Senators are not. Oh the irony.
    Last edited by Jonathanrex1; 23 May 15, 09:30.
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    You don't really understand what that means, do you?

    The Senate bill was to stop the NSA from non-specific collection of phone records.

    Obama's action means the NSA will stop non-specific collection of phone records in bulk.

    In short, the NSA will still collect the same phone records as before, only now they will file twelve court notifications instead of one.

    Obama, as usual, takes a meaningless action in order to deceive the gullible.
    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Jonathanrex1 View Post
      At least Obama is willing to stand up to Big Government where some Republican Senators are not. Oh the irony.
      Seriously? You may not understand our politics in Canada, but Obama IS "big government", and he has never stood up to anything in his life. It's the REpublicans, and now many of his own Democrats, who are trying to stop him from completely destroying America, not the other way around.
      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
        You don't really understand what that means, do you?

        The Senate bill was to stop the NSA from non-specific collection of phone records.

        Obama's action means the NSA will stop non-specific collection of phone records in bulk.

        In short, the NSA will still collect the same phone records as before, only now they will file twelve court notifications instead of one.

        Obama, as usual, takes a meaningless action in order to deceive the gullible.
        And there is no shortage of the gullible...
        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          Seriously? You may not understand our politics in Canada, but Obama IS "big government", and he has never stood up to anything in his life. It's the REpublicans, and now many of his own Democrats, who are trying to stop him from completely destroying America, not the other way around.
          They're both big government, they just support different areas of "big".

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
            You don't really understand what that means, do you?

            The Senate bill was to stop the NSA from non-specific collection of phone records.

            Obama's action means the NSA will stop non-specific collection of phone records in bulk.

            In short, the NSA will still collect the same phone records as before, only now they will file twelve court notifications instead of one.

            Obama, as usual, takes a meaningless action in order to deceive the gullible.
            A stopgap solution is better than nothing. At least this action attracts attention to the whole 'reform-the-NSA' movement and keeps pressure on the Senate. Real action can't happen until House Republicans can convince Senate Republicans to abandon their diehard pro-NSA stance.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jonathanrex1 View Post
              A stopgap solution is better than nothing. At least this action attracts attention to the whole 'reform-the-NSA' movement and keeps pressure on the Senate. Real action can't happen until House Republicans can convince Senate Republicans to abandon their diehard pro-NSA stance.


              Again, to explain that 1+1=2: Obama's action changes nothing except to add a few man-hours of paperwork to the process. Very few man-hours, for an agency with plenty of man-hours.

              See, you just don't get US politics at any level. The House GOP isn't trying to convince the Senate GOP of anything; they're the same party.

              Again 1+1=2: House members face re-election every two years. House Repubs vote yea on the bill and send it to the Senate, thus earning anti-big gov credit and ammunition to use against the Dems, knowing fully well that their six-year-term comrades in the Senate will kill the bill.

              That's why Obama made his move: knowing the bill was dying, he grabbed some political credit by coming up with a action that takes no action while appearing to take action. This way he gets credit for opposing big gov't while avoiding any accusation that a future terror strike was enabled by his hindering the NSA, because the reality is that he has not hindered them at all.

              Now the senate can say let the bill die because the 'bulk collection' has ended. Everybody wins.

              Including the NSA, who will be collecting the same amount of records as before.

              The only person actually affected by this is some mid-grade NSA legal staffer who just had his work load increased by 10%.
              Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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