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    ... "guest workers" from overseas now coming here.

    EXCERPT:
    Republican senator and presidential candidate Marco Rubio is backing a bill that would triple the number of guest workers businesses could hire every year, after hundreds of workers in his state were fired and literally replaced by foreign guest workers.

    Disney, Southern California Edison and most recently Fossil Group have together fired hundreds of American tech workers and forced them to train their foreign replacements, many of whom were flown in specifically to take their job.

    “You had me here one day, and the next day you had an Indian worker at a lower skill level sitting at my desk,” one of the hundreds of tech workers who Disney recently fired told The Daily Caller News Foundation.
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    http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/19/as...reign-workers/


  • #2
    HB-1 Visa, whatever it is, 'guest' workers have been 'replacing' US Tech workers for decades. Sen Rubio just wants to make it bigger and easier. What a surprise.
    “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
    “To talk of many things:
    Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
    Of cabbages—and kings—
    And why the sea is boiling hot—
    And whether pigs have wings.”
    ― Lewis Carroll

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    • #3
      The trend is actually changing for most companies, as they notice that paying less means less qualified/skilled workers, which means they need to hire people to take care of the mess caused and thus it's not such a simple zero-sum game as of paying wages.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Karri View Post
        The trend is actually changing for most companies, as they notice that paying less means less qualified/skilled workers, which means they need to hire people to take care of the mess caused and thus it's not such a simple zero-sum game as of paying wages.
        That's been my personal experience with this sort of worker. They aren't as qualified, often have serious cultural issues on top of that.

        I remember one company where they had hired a Greek engineer. Later they hired a Turkish engineer and put him in a supervisory position over the Greek. I watched the Turk come out in the area the Greek was working and fire him on the spot saying "You are fired because I hate Greeks..."

        That company ate a huge settlement when the Greek sued for discrimination.

        Or, several Indian professionals who had to learn to take it down a notch or three on the concept of status and social order. They didn't get that in America you don't talk down to subordinates, treat them as mindless idiots, or arrogantly order them around.

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        • #5
          More on the Myth of Outsourcing’s Efficiency

          http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/...fficiency.html
          We hunt the hunters

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          • #6
            Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
            ... "guest workers" from overseas now coming here.
            Is it any surprise? The ultimate goal of the WTO and those supporting its agenda is that not only are there no restrictions to trade and the movement of capital, but that there also be no restrictions in the movement of labour. Why do you think it is that the US government and the EU, despite popular discontent with illegal economic immigration, do nothing to halt it, and instead proffer various schemes for legalizing it? The US government, for one, has been championing the WTO agenda since Clinton. Doesn't matter whether Republicans or Democrats control Congress or the White House - both parties answer to powerful economic interests who wish to see no restrictions or barriers in how they do business - public discontent be damned.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
              Is it any surprise? The ultimate goal of the WTO and those supporting its agenda is that not only are there no restrictions to trade and the movement of capital, but that there also be no restrictions in the movement of labour. Why do you think it is that the US government and the EU, despite popular discontent with illegal economic immigration, do nothing to halt it, and instead proffer various schemes for legalizing it? The US government, for one, has been championing the WTO agenda since Clinton. Doesn't matter whether Republicans or Democrats control Congress or the White House - both parties answer to powerful economic interests who wish to see no restrictions or barriers in how they do business - public discontent be damned.
              Well said, Skob....
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              • #8
                You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Skoblin again.
                Yup, I understand this has been an issue in Canada for some time.

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                • #9
                  One way to perhaps make this situation a little easier to swallow would be to require companies who outsource and bring in foreign workers contribute to a national fund to help American workers find equitable employment or fine them for each job lost to a foreign national.
                  This is becoming a national problem in that it expands the base of those in the US who are out of work or looking for employment. i.e. it affects our economy and as someone once said, "It's the economy, stupid!"
                  Last edited by Jose50; 22 May 15, 10:36.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jose50 View Post
                    One way to perhaps make this situation a little easier to swallow would be to require companies who outsource and bring in foreign workers contribute to a national fund to help American workers find equitable employment or fine them for each job lost to a foreign national.
                    This would likely not be allowed by the WTO, which requires that all companies and businesses be treated equally - whether foreign or domestic and regardless what labour force they hire.

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                    • #11
                      EXCERPTS:
                      ...
                      The number of foreign-born workers kept rising. Last year, there were 25.7 million in the U.S., up from 25.3 million in 2013. They accounted for 16.5% of the labor force in 2014, up from 16.3% the year before and 15.5% in 2009, the year the recovery began.

                      The foreign-born worker labor-force participation rate—the share aged 16 and older working or looking for work–was 66.0% in 2014, higher than the native-born rate of 62.3%. Foreign-born workers are more likely than native-born workers to be male and more likely to be between the ages of 25 to 54, ages when the participation rate is highest, according to the BLS.

                      About 48.3% of the foreign-born workers in 2014 were Hispanic and 24.1% of them were Asian last year, according to BLS. The composition of foreign workers has shifted since 2009, with Hispanics’ share decreasing and Asians’ rising.

                      Foreign-born workers saw their median usual weekly earnings rise to $664 in 2014, up from $643 in 2013. The difference between the weekly earnings of foreign-born workers and their native-born counterparts narrowed slightly as well from $162 in 2013 to $156 in 2014. The earnings gap peaked at $173 in 2010 and has been trending down since.

                      Discrepancies in earnings reflect a number of factors, including differences in the educational attainment, industries and geographic distribution of foreign and native-born workers, according to the BLS.
                      ...
                      http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2015/...rkers-in-2014/

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                      • #12
                        Typical American viewpoints - everything but the truth.

                        America has now become a Third World nation that can provide labor at less than the going rate elsewhere.

                        It's that simple.
                        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          Typical American viewpoints - everything but the truth.
                          America has now become a Third World nation that can provide labor at less than the going rate elsewhere.
                          It's that simple.
                          Actually, that's not the case. If it was, there would be no influx of guest workers into the country as noted in the OP. However, it is very much the long-term scenario, as ever greater influxes of foreign labour - whether legal or illegal - enter the country until US labour rates approximate some international standard - thus negating demand. Meanwhile, the federal government will do nothing to prevent it.

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                          • #14
                            Actually, it is, if you check the employment market and just look at what's going on all around you.

                            Hell, we don't mind overbearing, arrogant people in America...we elect them to the White House, and we don't mind criminals with no job skills; we elect them too.

                            Truth is, and you know it, more prosperous nations are now "outsourcing" to America where entire states are struggling against bankruptcy and the decaying workforce is ripe for foreign job markets at cut-rate wages.
                            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                            • #15
                              They already cherry picked the jobs they wanted to ship over seas, the few left here, nobody wants!

                              All joking aside, I think we should demand that we outsource all CEO jobs, I'm sure we can find incompetent thriving SOBs in India that will rob us blind for half of what American CEOs charge!
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                              Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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