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  • #16
    Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
    By "Apology Tour," I meant that he projected through his personal words and actions an uninspiring image of American weakness.

    He has stressed that America's involvement in foreign affairs must increasingly be a "leading from behind" role. Great! Policing the world is the last thing America needs to worry about.

    However, the way he has gone about this is seen through the eyes of our enemies as a retreat, a sign of weakness (his foreign policy is personified in his bowing to foreign leaders). Putin, Iran, Assad, the lot of them have brazenly taken advantage of Obama's policy, and we are continuing to let them do it. It is one thing to cease unnecessary meddling in something that is not our business, but quite another to abandon key long-term allies and interests to thugs and criminals, especially in that involves backing down in the face of a foreign tyrant.
    That's not really what you said though. You said that he went on an apology tour and even wanted to apologise for the bombing of Hiroshima. Should I take it that you are now agreeing he did not?

    As for his foreign policy it certainly has left a lot to be desired at times.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
      This is old news, unfortunately. It should have been obvious ever since his infamous "apology tour" riddled with kowtows to foreign despots. He even tried to apologize for Hiroshima, but the Japanese stopped him.
      Yeah, it is old news. Obama is a ****-poor human being.

      At least he isn't as bad as Carter. He did, after all, take down Gaddafi and bin Laden, and ramped up the drone campaign against various other terrorist leaders. Other than that, though, there's not much redeeming him in this field.
      He DID NOT take down Laden and Gaddafi, he stayed comfortably in his office or on the golf course while events unfolded as they did. There is no argument there, so don't try. Obama has no redeeming qualities as POTUS.

      He's an idealist, but he's also ignorant, arrogant, and hopelessly naive.
      Those are all accurate.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Sergio View Post
        That's not really what you said though. You said that he went on an apology tour and even wanted to apologise for the bombing of Hiroshima. Should I take it that you are now agreeing he did not?

        As for his foreign policy it certainly has left a lot to be desired at times.
        It is referred to as "the apology tour" because it was heavily laden with statements critical of America's past actions. This is an 'apology' by implication, even if it was not explicit. His warning against a growing 'anti-American' attitude in Europe did not change this.

        On Hiroshima, here is an excerpt from the Wikileaks cable:

        VFM Yabunaka pointed out that the Japanese public will have high expectations toward President Obama's visit to Japan in November, as the President enjoys an historic level of popularity among the Japanese people. Anti-nuclear groups, in particular, will speculate whether the President
        would visit Hiroshima in light of his April 5 Prague speech on non-proliferation. He underscored, however, that both governments must temper the public's expectations on such issues, as the idea of President Obama visiting Hiroshima to apologize for the atomic bombing during World War II is a "non-starter."
        This indicates that there was a strong likelihood that an Obama visit to Hiroshima would include a formal apology for the bombing.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
          He DID NOT take down Laden and Gaddafi, he stayed comfortably in his office or on the golf course while events unfolded as they did. There is no argument there, so don't try. Obama has no redeeming qualities as POTUS.
          One thing I will say about this: since the beginning of his administration Obama focused a lot of resources on the goal of locating and neutralizing bin Laden. This was crucial in eventually eliminating him.

          Also, Obama's actions early in the 2008 financial crisis softened the blow the economy would take, making a recession out of what otherwise could have been a devastating depression. He prevented us from going into economic free-fall.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
            It is referred to as "the apology tour" because it was heavily laden with statements critical of America's past actions. This is an 'apology' by implication, even if it was not explicit. His warning against a growing 'anti-American' attitude in Europe did not change this.

            On Hiroshima, here is an excerpt from the Wikileaks cable:



            This indicates that there was a strong likelihood that an Obama visit to Hiroshima would include a formal apology for the bombing.
            Some, see the links below, have described at as an attempt to symbolise a break from the previous administration's policies and to repair the serious damage done to America's standing on the global stage by Bush. It was also a diplomatic move to reach out towards people who took serious issue with many of America's policies and actions - whilst acknowledging that the other countries were also wrong at times.Unless you are one of those people who believe that no politician should ever acknowledge that your own country is not perfect then what exactly are you complaining about?

            I should point out that you did specifically call it an apology tour that included bowing to foreign leaders. A tour with apologies suggest quite clearly apologising. Your quote on the Hiroshima apology shows that it was public expectation in some quarters of an apology. It says nothing about Obama wanting to make an apology. Is that a part of the cable or an acknowledgement from anyone that he wanted to or it was his idea?

            VFM Yabunaka pointed out that the Japanese public
            will have high expectations toward President Obama's visit to
            Japan in November, as the President enjoys an historic level
            of popularity among the Japanese people. Anti-nuclear
            groups, in particular, will speculate whether the President
            would visit Hiroshima in light of his April 5 Prague speech
            on non-proliferation. He underscored, however, that both
            governments must temper the public's expectations on such
            issues, as the idea of President Obama visiting Hiroshima to
            apologize for the atomic bombing during World War II is a
            "non-starter."
            https://wikileaks.org/cable/2009/09/09TOKYO2033.html

            Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
            This indicates that there was a strong likelihood that an Obama visit to Hiroshima would include a formal apology for the bombing.
            It indicates no such thing. As you can see it mentions the public expectation. Whilst Obama's foreign policy leaves a great deal to be desired I fail to see why you are claiming he did things that he did not. It is quite clear where the apology tour allegations began. By the way do you also disagree with Bush apologising for the American torture program at Abu Ghraib?

            http://mediamatters.org/research/201...e-apolo/200883

            http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fac...logy_tour.html

            http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...k-obama-began/

            "The president's policies throughout the Middle East began with an apology tour and pursue a strategy of leading from behind, and this strategy is unraveling before our very eyes," he said.
            http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...k-obama-began/

            You are pretty much citing this line. There is a huge amount to criticise Obama for, and I am not a fan, but at least do it based on fact.
            "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it"
            G.B Shaw

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