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    The famed ďred lineĒ warning that Barack Obama issued in August 2013 to Bashar al-Assad of Syria was arguably the defining foreign policy moment of his presidency: an unequivocal warning to a rogue leader to desist from war crimes or pay the price.
    When the incident ended in a blur, with Russian-backed promises that the Assad regime would hand over its chemical agents, responses were bifurcated. The president and his allies hailed this as a monument of diplomacy, whereby a plausible threat led bloodlessly to a major improvement in behavior. In contrast, critics presented Obama as a paper tiger who raged with threats that collapsed when offered meaningless assurances by a well-established liar.
    For two years, there was no verdict; the two sides kept making their points without closure. But now, closure is at hand.
    Thatís because there are currently there are multiple reports of the Assad regime using chlorine in barrel bombs, plus the discovery of traces of ricin, sarin. and VX.
    Itís now indisputably clear that Obama is no more than a paper tiger. His threats against the Syrian dictatorship meant nothing but vanished into thin air, replaced by squirming and prattle.
    In response, the U.S. government not done nothing about these hideous developments other than to issue mild rebukes, turn to the feckless United Nations, and hope against hope that the Russians and even the Iranians will dispose of the problem. Thereís been no mention of red lines this time, just a wish no one remember 2013.
    But we do remember and we do draw conclusions. Itís now indisputably clear that Obama is no more than a paper tiger. His threats against the Syrian dictatorship meant nothing but vanished into thin air, replaced by squirming and prattle.
    Not only is this response important in itself, but it has implications for other hostile states, notably Russia, China, and especially Iran. If Obama dares not handle the weakling in Damascus, how might he venture to do so with the more formidable foes in Moscow, Peking, and Tehran?
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/...tcmp=obnetwork
    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

  • #2
    This is old news, unfortunately. It should have been obvious ever since his infamous "apology tour" riddled with kowtows to foreign despots. He even tried to apologize for Hiroshima, but the Japanese stopped him.

    At least he isn't as bad as Carter. He did, after all, take down Gaddafi and bin Laden, and ramped up the drone campaign against various other terrorist leaders. Other than that, though, there's not much redeeming him in this field.

    He's an idealist, but he's also ignorant, arrogant, and hopelessly naive.
    Divine Mercy Sunday: 4/21/2020 (https://www.thedivinemercy.org/message) The Miracle of Lanciano: Jesus' Real Presence (https://web.archive.org/web/20060831...fcontents.html)

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    • #3
      Whatever...

      Frankly, I don't consider the possible current use of chemical weapons by Syria, probably at the hands of ISIS, to be "old news" any more than your opinions about Obama are also "old news", since everyone else has been saying that about him since he was originally elected.
      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
        This is old news, unfortunately. It should have been obvious ever since his infamous "apology tour" riddled with kowtows to foreign despots. He even tried to apologize for Hiroshima, but the Japanese stopped him.

        At least he isn't as bad as Carter. He did, after all, take down Gaddafi and bin Laden, and ramped up the drone campaign against various other terrorist leaders. Other than that, though, there's not much redeeming him in this field.

        He's an idealist, but he's also ignorant, arrogant, and hopelessly naive.
        You might want to get the facts straight. Please cite who he apologised to, when and where. As for the Hiroshima apology try reading the WikiLeaks cable and then the actual circumstances around it - and where the original speculation of an apology that was addressed originated from.

        It is a shame that with an administration that has so much to be criticised over people need to rely on made up nonsense.
        Last edited by Sergio; 20 May 15, 10:11.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sergio View Post
          It is a shame that with an administration that has so much to be criticized over people need to rely on made up nonsense.
          Fixed it for you.

          And its faux news that is the key driver in making up this faux outrage.

          They discredit themselves and legitimate claims of corruption. Got im Himmel I hate those lying bastards...
          Credo quia absurdum.


          Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
            Fixed it for you.

            And its faux news that is the key driver in making up this faux outrage.

            They discredit themselves and legitimate claims of corruption. Got im Himmel I hate those lying bastards...
            Cheers that was a daft typo - d. There is a hell of a lot wrong with many different media groups and outlets but Faux News is one of the more destructive ones. Murdoch and his cronies have a lot to answer for.
            "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it"
            G.B Shaw

            "They promised us homes fit for heroes, they give us heroes fit for homes."
            Grandad, Only Fools and Horses

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sergio View Post
              There is a hell of a lot wrong with many different media groups and outlets but Faux News is one of the more destructive ones. Murdoch and his cronies have a lot to answer for.
              It's the same as being a devotee of RT, one-sided hyping of the news. The worst thing is that both sides can't admit they're being brainwashed.
              Credo quia absurdum.


              Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                It's the same as being a devotee of RT, one-sided hyping of the news. The worst thing is that both sides can't admit they're being brainwashed.
                And media like MSNBC have their lip prints permanently embossed on Obie's butt, while ignoring major news stories because they reveal corruption, incompetence, and dirty politics everywhere in Washington.

                Frankly, I'm more interested in what IS going on than in being told what isn't.

                Fox is the lesser of the evils of the Lame Stream Media, but to their everlasting credit, they don't do the constant Washington Cover Up like the rest of them, and if Obama publicly hates and fears them - and he does- then they're my kind of news media.
                Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                  It's the same as being a devotee of RT, one-sided hyping of the news. The worst thing is that both sides can't admit they're being brainwashed.
                  Brainwashed? Is that what you call not accepting the Obi-loving-media-version-of-truth?

                  You need serious help. Wait...maybe organized religion has the answers you seek? They also believe in fantasy.

                  Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                  • #10
                    I don't believe one word that bozo utters. But I keep suggesting News Max as a alternative tv news source. It's much better and they cover the same scandals without the hysteria.

                    http://www.newsmaxtv.com/
                    Credo quia absurdum.


                    Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
                      This is old news, unfortunately. It should have been obvious ever since his infamous "apology tour" riddled with kowtows to foreign despots. He even tried to apologize for Hiroshima, but the Japanese stopped him.

                      At least he isn't as bad as Carter. He did, after all, take down Gaddafi and bin Laden, and ramped up the drone campaign against various other terrorist leaders. Other than that, though, there's not much redeeming him in this field.

                      He's an idealist, but he's also ignorant, arrogant, and hopelessly naive.


                      Taking out Bin Laden was good.
                      That operation existed independent of the president, but he was in office when it happened so he gets to claim the credit.

                      Taking out Gaddafi was bad. Gaddafi was no threat to our interests and we now have a failed State in place of one that wasn't a problem to us.
                      I recall the left castigating Bush (arguably correctly)for failing to send enough troops to Iraq to stabilize the place. We sent none to Libya and essentially ignored the chaos we left behind.

                      I applaud the drone campaign, but do not believe it is enough, as is evidenced by the rise of ISIS.
                      Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

                      Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        Whatever...

                        Frankly, I don't consider the possible current use of chemical weapons by Syria, probably at the hands of ISIS, to be "old news" any more than your opinions about Obama are also "old news", since everyone else has been saying that about him since he was originally elected.
                        When I typed "old news," I meant the bolded part of your post.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sergio View Post
                          You might want to get the facts straight. Please cite who he apologised to, when and where. As for the Hiroshima apology try reading the WikiLeaks cable and then the actual circumstances around it - and where the original speculation of an apology that was addressed originated from.

                          It is a shame that with an administration that has so much to be criticised over people need to rely on made up nonsense.
                          By "Apology Tour," I meant that he projected through his personal words and actions an uninspiring image of American weakness.

                          He has stressed that America's involvement in foreign affairs must increasingly be a "leading from behind" role. Great! Policing the world is the last thing America needs to worry about.

                          However, the way he has gone about this is seen through the eyes of our enemies as a retreat, a sign of weakness (his foreign policy is personified in his bowing to foreign leaders). Putin, Iran, Assad, the lot of them have brazenly taken advantage of Obama's policy, and we are continuing to let them do it. It is one thing to cease unnecessary meddling in something that is not our business, but quite another to abandon key long-term allies and interests to thugs and criminals, especially in that involves backing down in the face of a foreign tyrant.
                          Divine Mercy Sunday: 4/21/2020 (https://www.thedivinemercy.org/message) The Miracle of Lanciano: Jesus' Real Presence (https://web.archive.org/web/20060831...fcontents.html)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
                            By "Apology Tour," I meant that he projected through his personal words and actions an uninspiring image of American weakness.

                            He has stressed that America's involvement in foreign affairs must increasingly be a "leading from behind" role. Great! Policing the world is the last thing America needs to worry about.

                            However, the way he has gone about this is seen through the eyes of our enemies as a retreat, a sign of weakness (his foreign policy is personified in his bowing to foreign leaders). Putin, Iran, Assad, the lot of them have brazenly taken advantage of Obama's policy, and we are continuing to let them do it. It is one thing to cease unnecessary meddling in something that is not our business, but quite another to abandon key long-term allies and interests to thugs and criminals, especially in that involves backing down in the face of a foreign tyrant.

                            I agree.
                            Projecting weakness is not a good way to stay out of a war.
                            Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

                            Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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                            • #15
                              Obama projects incompetence and ineptness, little more. Other nation's leaders have the measure of him:

                              He's a doormat and they wipe their feet on him.

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