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  • #16
    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    That's the constant answer that is presented to anyone who uses FOX, so it must be true for the Demmie-loving media as well. That's just common sense and simple logic. Surely you aren't trying to tell us that a bought-and-paid-for media like MSNBC, which has their lip prints permanently embossed on Obama's butt, is giving America honest news representation? They have covered up every major political corruption, scandal and incompetence story since Obie the Klown was elected and that's your "news source"? And you think Fox is the problem?

    Takes my breath away...


    The story is all over the news. Go read it where you want.
    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Taieb el-Okbi View Post
      This is often the result of not being a God fearing person^. Those who continuously steal will sometimes say, it doesn't matter who I hurt, as I long as make my life better thats all that counts.



      Wounded warriors project has also had its share of controversy.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded...harity_ratings

      Wounded warriors project was reported to get a a D rating from the American Institute of Philanthropy

      There have also been reports of some of the animal related charities here in the USA being involved in questionable practices. One woman who headed a animal related charitable organization, was reported to use donor money to repair/make add ons to her own home.

      Part of the benefit of being a Catholic is knowing that stealing from others is a sin, and that the right thing to do as a Catholic is to stand up for your fellow person. Pope Francis ought to be given control of some of these gov/miltary related charitable organizations here in the USA.

      IMO the way to combat this issue is to set up a structure in charities where most of the donated money goes toward helping people in need, as opposed to the money going into the pocket of those working at the charity company. I believe that one who works for a charity company should not receive a salary, and the facts are that some charities pay their employes high salaries. Some of these "charity" workers are making 100kUSD per year, I dont think thats right.
      Why do you think being a Catholic makes you morally superior? Just believing in some deity doesn't make you a better person.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Taieb el-Okbi View Post
        I dont want to sound like a hypocrite here, I have stolen in the past. I was baptized at a young age, and confirmed as well. But there was indeed a time in my life when I slipped up and committed a sin, the sin of stealing. About 7 years ago, I stole a item from a department store. I went on to regret this decision.

        About 2 or 3 years ago I was at a Casino in between poker sessions, I was having a smoke and went to sit down at a slot machine. That slot machine had about 120$ dollars in it, apparently the last player to play this machine forgot his money in the machine. There was nobody around me, I could have easily hit cash out and taken that money, instead, out of fear of committing a sin I reported the issue to a casino employee so the man(or woman) who had forgot their money in the machine could get that money back.


        Being a Christian has so many benefits, I highly recommend to folks who have not found Christ, to go ahead and get on board with Jesus, go to a local Catholic Church and listen to what the Priests have to say. Now some may say, thats kind of a corny thing to say, but then again many folks have pointed to Jesus as being their positive influence.
        Your logic is so screwed up. You didn't steal because you were afraid of committing a sin? How about don't steal because theft is wrong? Isn't that a good enough reason? You need some supernatural being to tell you that you shouldn't take what isn't yours?

        Any person can be a positive influence. You don't need to find Jesus to live a better life.
        First Counsul Maleketh of Jonov

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
          * = even legit charities have to pay the phone bill and rent.
          This is a pretty good site to find out if a charity is okay:

          http://www.charitynavigator.org/
          "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
            Why do you think being a Catholic makes you morally superior? Just believing in some deity doesn't make you a better person.
            I dont think being a Catholic makes one morally superior, you must be mistaking me for someone else.

            Also note the following,

            http://biblehub.com/galatians/6-3.htm

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Nichols View Post
              This is a pretty good site to find out if a charity is okay:

              http://www.charitynavigator.org/
              Thanks!
              Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Taieb el-Okbi View Post
                I dont think being a Catholic makes one morally superior, you must be mistaking me for someone else.

                Also note the following,

                http://biblehub.com/galatians/6-3.htm
                Being Christian also doesn't make you morally superior. The fact you have to be threatened with eternal damnation to be a good person is telling.
                First Counsul Maleketh of Jonov

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
                  Your logic is so screwed up. You didn't steal because you were afraid of committing a sin? How about don't steal because theft is wrong? Isn't that a good enough reason? You need some supernatural being to tell you that you shouldn't take what isn't yours?

                  Any person can be a positive influence. You don't need to find Jesus to live a better life.
                  Actually, you kinda do.

                  I risk utterly derailing the thread with this remark, but the only reason atheists and agnostics live a moral life without Christianity is because they've already been indoctrinated with Christian values.

                  Without any kind of moral indoctrination a human will operate at the base level of self interest and yes he will absolutely steal. The notion of "don't steal because it's wrong" is not natural to the human condition. You need a moral code to combat that. Without a moral code the default setting is "don't steal if you think you're going to get caught".

                  And great tv shows have been birthed thanks to cultures who didn't believe stealing is wrong.



                  You yourself only believe stealing is wrong because society taught you such. That's the only reason anyone believes stealing is wrong. If raised in a culture that believes stealing is okay (or at least okay as long as the people you're stealing from aren't neighbors), you will most assuredly lead a life of theft.

                  But you don't. And you have Judeo-Christian culture to thank for that. Ethics espoused by modern atheists are just Christian ethics without the god part.
                  A new life awaits you in the off world colonies; the chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure!

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                  • #24
                    Just like the only reason you're a Christian is because you were indoctrinated that way .

                    Anyway, let me disabuse you of a few of your notions. Just like marriage, Christians don't own morals. Many different cultures far before Christianity had most of the same rules and laws that Christians/Jews did. Yes there were differences, but it's likely the Jews took their morals from other religions and cultures. Just like Christianity borrowed from Judaism and Islam borrowed from both. My morals aren't Christian though. Many of the things their religion sees as sins aren't in my book. So while I may have been raised with certain morals, I have since evolved and came up with my own unique moral code. With influences from many cultures and religions.
                    First Counsul Maleketh of Jonov

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
                      Just like the only reason you're a Christian is because you were indoctrinated that way .
                      Would it surprise you if I said I totally agree?

                      If I was born a Dane in the 700s I would be of totally different moral stock. If I was born an Aztec in the 1300s I would be of totally different moral stock. We are by and large the product of our environments. Our parents, our social circles, these all serve to mold who we are as human beings. I am glad to be molded into who I am and born into the Christian fellowship. But I credit those who came before me and not any inherent goodness on my part for making me who I am.

                      Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
                      Anyway, let me disabuse you of a few of your notions. Just like marriage, Christians don't own morals. Many different cultures far before Christianity had most of the same rules and laws that Christians/Jews did. Yes there were differences, but it's likely the Jews took their morals from other religions and cultures.
                      I wouldn't say that Christianity owns certain morals. I simply see it in terms of cause and effect. You and I are both a product of Judeo-Christian ethics. Christianity isn't the only religion to have such ethics. But it is the philosophical system that has indoctrinated most Americans.

                      Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
                      Just like Christianity borrowed from Judaism and Islam borrowed from both. My morals aren't Christian though. Many of the things their religion sees as sins aren't in my book. So while I may have been raised with certain morals, I have since evolved and came up with my own unique moral code. With influences from many cultures and religions.
                      Your morals aren't fully Christian. But the Christian bedrock is there. It's saturated in our education system: "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" packaged as "treat others the way you want to be treated" being an example. Yes Christianity isn't the only religion to say that, but it is the religion from which America takes the ethic.

                      But you are right about multi-cultural amalgamation. And that applies to me too. Anytime a religion crosses borders the religion changes the culture but the culture also changes the religion. Neither of us are the product of 1st Century original Christianity. We are the recipients of Christianity that was injected into several gentile countries and modified through centuries of social evolution. We each then take that which we were exposed to and modify to our personal circumstances and bestow this version we create to our children who will then modify their beliefs in a never ending dynamic process of social evolution.
                      A new life awaits you in the off world colonies; the chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Pirateship1982 View Post
                        Would it surprise you if I said I totally agree?

                        If I was born a Dane in the 700s I would be of totally different moral stock. If I was born an Aztec in the 1300s I would be of totally different moral stock. We are by and large the product of our environments. Our parents, our social circles, these all serve to mold who we are as human beings. I am glad to be molded into who I am and born into the Christian fellowship. But I credit those who came before me and not any inherent goodness on my part for making me who I am.



                        I wouldn't say that Christianity owns certain morals. I simply see it in terms of cause and effect. You and I are both a product of Judeo-Christian ethics. Christianity isn't the only religion to have such ethics. But it is the philosophical system that has indoctrinated most Americans.



                        Your morals aren't fully Christian. But the Christian bedrock is there. It's saturated in our education system: "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" packaged as "treat others the way you want to be treated" being an example. Yes Christianity isn't the only religion to say that, but it is the religion from which America takes the ethic.

                        But you are right about multi-cultural amalgamation. And that applies to me too. Anytime a religion crosses borders the religion changes the culture but the culture also changes the religion. Neither of us are the product of 1st Century original Christianity. We are the recipients of Christianity that was injected into several gentile countries and modified through centuries of social evolution. We each then take that which we were exposed to and modify to our personal circumstances and bestow this version we create to our children who will then modify their beliefs in a never ending dynamic process of social evolution.
                        I agree with you here.

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