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    Jason Disisto and his friends were hanging out on a sidewalk on March 12, 2014, when Officer Jonathan Munoz walked up to Disisto’s female friend, grabbed her wrist, and began to put his hands inside her sweater. Concerned about what he is seeing, Disisto borrows a cellphone and attempts to begin filming the interaction. This is something that we are all well within our rights- and frankly morally obligated- to do.

    Seeing that he is about to film, another officer on the scene, Edwin Flores, confronts Disisto. The situation escalates very quickly as two officers are seen assaulting the man and attempting to steal his phone. Disisto is then arrested, as the police claimed that he had lunged at the officers and attempted to punch them with a closed fist.

    The blatant lies by the NYPD officers are completely disproved by three security cameras that captured the incident from multiple angles.

    Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/nyp...ufpjzHAE96o.99
    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/nyp...bIwbzELS7aO.99
    And some people claim that police should be trusted. Most damning part of whole affair is that cops didn't get charged for lying and unlawful arrest. NYPD protects it's own.
    "Religion can never reform mankind because religion is slavery"
    Robert G. Ingersoll 1833-1899

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    There are tens of thousands of personnel in the NYPD. They are not all 'bad eggs,' and exist to protect the citizenry. The actions of a few crooked men, whoever they may be, will never change this fact.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by JML View Post
      And some people claim that police should be trusted. Most damning part of whole affair is that cops didn't get charged for lying and unlawful arrest. NYPD protects it's own.
      Sweeping statements of any type are rarely, if ever, accurate.

      Sincerely,
      M
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by JML View Post
        http://thefreethoughtproject.com/nyp...bIwbzELS7aO.99
        And some people claim that police should be trusted. Most damning part of whole affair is that cops didn't get charged for lying and unlawful arrest. NYPD protects it's own.
        Your source is extremely biased, and dubious at best.

        You may not understand this, but in the USA a citizen is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

        So just because someone on the Net claims they did something wrong doesn't mean squat.
        Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
          Your source is extremely biased, and dubious at best.

          You may not understand this, but in the USA a citizen is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

          So just because someone on the Net claims they did something wrong doesn't mean squat.
          Did you even look at video? It shows clearly that cops attacked bystander because he was filming one of them sexually harassing woman. Video shows footage from three security cameras.

          http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...301551771.html
          "Religion can never reform mankind because religion is slavery"
          Robert G. Ingersoll 1833-1899

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JML View Post
            Did you even look at video? It shows clearly that cops attacked bystander because he was filming one of them sexually harassing woman. Video shows footage from three security cameras.

            http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...301551771.html
            I saw an officer interact with a suspect. Why the interaction occurred isn't clear.

            Like I explained to you, your opinion does not make fact.

            Until a criminal court rules, they're innocent.

            In Texas, we seize phones or cameras used to film an incident as evidence, which has been upheld by higher courts. From what I have read, NYPD is moving to adjust their policy in that direct. Such seizures are lawful.
            Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
              I saw an officer interact with a suspect. Why the interaction occurred isn't clear.

              Like I explained to you, your opinion does not make fact.

              Until a criminal court rules, they're innocent.

              In Texas, we seize phones or cameras used to film an incident as evidence, which has been upheld by higher courts. From what I have read, NYPD is moving to adjust their policy in that direct. Such seizures are lawful.
              NBC video shows officer throwing away phone as they leave. So they weren't seizing it as a evidence.

              Officer claimed in his report that Jason Disisto tried to hit him with closed fist which is not supported by video evidence and after video evidence surfaced charges against Jason were dropped.
              "Religion can never reform mankind because religion is slavery"
              Robert G. Ingersoll 1833-1899

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              • #8
                Originally posted by JML View Post
                NBC video shows officer throwing away phone as they leave. So they weren't seizing it as a evidence.

                Officer claimed in his report that Jason Disisto tried to hit him with closed fist which is not supported by video evidence and after video evidence surfaced charges against Jason were dropped.
                NBC? Yeah, you can believe them.

                Something like a third of all charges are dropped. Less than 10% go to trial. So what?

                Was the officer convicted of anything? Then he's innocent.
                Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                  NBC? Yeah, you can believe them.

                  Something like a third of all charges are dropped. Less than 10% go to trial. So what?

                  Was the officer convicted of anything? Then he's innocent.
                  But we can believe fine upstanding cops like you and guys in the video
                  "Religion can never reform mankind because religion is slavery"
                  Robert G. Ingersoll 1833-1899

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JML View Post
                    But we can believe fine upstanding cops like you and guys in the video
                    In Finland the media may conduct criminal trials (assuming there's any media in Finland), but in the USA, it take a trial to pronounce anyone guilty.

                    The First world does things very differently than the Third world. Stick around, you may learn something.
                    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                      In Finland the media may conduct criminal trials (assuming there's any media in Finland), but in the USA, it take a trial to pronounce anyone guilty.

                      The First world does things very differently than the Third world. Stick around, you may learn something.
                      In the First World corrupt cops are prosecuted while in Third World country corrupt cops are protected by the system. You probably know everything about protecting corrupt cops learned during your long career in law enforcement.
                      "Religion can never reform mankind because religion is slavery"
                      Robert G. Ingersoll 1833-1899

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                      • #12
                        Well JML not to excuse the NYPD but New York has the reputation of being a city of jerks. So go the cops.
                        Credo quia absurdum.


                        Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JML View Post
                          In the First World corrupt cops are prosecuted while in Third World country corrupt cops are protected by the system. You probably know everything about protecting corrupt cops learned during your long career in law enforcement.


                          I guess that's what passes for wit in the backward parts of Europe....

                          And again, in yet another attempt to piece the hard shell of ignorance, none of these officers are accused of corruption, and no one in the USA, regardless of job, are guilty of anything until they have had a trial and a verdict has been rendered.

                          Perhaps in the desolate regions of the poorer part of Scandinavia people are convicted simply on the accusation of any roving half-wit, but in a developed society there are rules and procedures which must be followed.

                          So at this point all you have are, as the song says, hints and allegations.
                          Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JML View Post
                            http://thefreethoughtproject.com/nyp...bIwbzELS7aO.99
                            And some people claim that police should be trusted. Most damning part of whole affair is that cops didn't get charged for lying and unlawful arrest. NYPD protects it's own.
                            That cop was out of line.

                            Thats not the behavior of your average LE officer here in the USA though thankfully.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                              I saw an officer interact with a suspect. Why the interaction occurred isn't clear.

                              Like I explained to you, your opinion does not make fact.

                              Until a criminal court rules, they're innocent.

                              In Texas, we seize phones or cameras used to film an incident as evidence, which has been upheld by higher courts. From what I have read, NYPD is moving to adjust their policy in that direct. Such seizures are lawful.
                              And when you do that, you remove the evidence from the possession of the citizen and place it in the hands of LEO's who may have a motive to destroy or delete it. Not a good policy, or one that is intended to assist in providing justice to those citizens.
                              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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