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  • Skoblin
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    Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
    True - only thing the Reps have to do is put up someone less irritating.
    You think they'll manage that this time around ?
    Doubtful...

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  • Snowygerry
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    (...)
    By any account she is shrill, argumentative, grating, and irritating when she actually has to do anything beyond read a canned speech or attend a hand-picked photo op with supporters.
    True - only thing the Reps have to do is put up someone less irritating.

    You think they'll manage that this time around ?

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  • Jannie
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    I can remember when the parties’ conventions were the time that the presidential candidates were chosen by the delegates from the states. It was easier to control the masses, that is for sure.

    Because I hate the long run-up to the primaries and then the long election seasons, I wish the powers that be would go back to the old fashioned process. Of course, I imagine that would take a lot of jobs away from political consultants, campaign directors, cut the income of TV stations, etc, etc. And maybe it might actually take away a lot of the power of the oligarchs that are financing how things are done now. It might consolidate it at least into a few short months.

    If we, the people, get to a point where we may not be controlled by the political propaganda organizations then the powers that be will have to find a new way to affect public opinion. I heard recently this sort of inference (but I have no source, it was an opinion voiced on TV) that there might come a time not too far in the future where the negative ads and influence of the major media outlets bought by the oligarchs might be ignored by the public who have been fooled too many times. Perhaps we are seeing that time arrive for this election cycle.

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  • Skoblin
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    Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
    I would say this is an expression of concern among the Democratic Party elites that Clinton may actually have difficulty beating Sanders for the nomination, and they need to put forward another establishment candidate tout de suite. Enter Biden - another corporate bag man.
    Latest NH poll
    A stunning new poll has Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) beating presumptive Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire.
    Sanders has eclipsed Clinton by a 44 to 37 percent margin, according to a new Franklin Pierce University/Boston Herald poll that was first reported by the Boston newspaper Tuesday evening.
    The previous FPU/Herald poll taken in March had Sanders trailing Clinton 44 to 8.
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...-nh/ar-BBlFpGX

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  • Escape2Victory
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    Originally posted by Jannie View Post
    SNIP....Do you have any recommendations on who to follow for polling information? Are your betting operations taking bets yet? And if so, what are the odds that they are posting for our various candidates? Sometimes betting operations are really good predictors of elections. Do you have any idea how they did in predicting your elections in the UK?
    I like Oddschecker because they summarise a number of betting sites in one place. Here is what they think of the next President

    https://m.oddschecker.com/t/politics...on-2016/winner

    Trump was 50/1 when the betting opened. I thought he had a chance and should have backed that with some money. I didn't though.

    In our election earlier this year, most book makers predicted that no party would have enough seats to form a majority Government. They got this quite badly wrong and Tory party won an overall majority.

    In conclusion, these things can serve as a guide but human nature still retains a delightful ability to shock, surprise and defy total predictability.

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  • Jannie
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    Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post
    How accurate have those predictions that attempt to predict the presidential winner at this stage proved in the past? Some of big polling companies that you have also covered the recent UK election and all got it wrong.
    I don’t know. I like the Real Clear Politics site because they aggregate a lot of the polls. They are more often right than wrong, and I have been following them for several years. I find they tend to have a right wing bias in their news postings but their polling stuff seems pretty clear cut. However, that could be being managed by which polls they choose to put in their groupings. But they are a site that I recommend following for polling aggregations. That is just my opinion for whatever it is worth--probably not much.

    Do you have any recommendations on who to follow for polling information? Are your betting operations taking bets yet? And if so, what are the odds that they are posting for our various candidates? Sometimes betting operations are really good predictors of elections. Do you have any idea how they did in predicting your elections in the UK?

    A bit later--here is a site I found about betting markets for elections. It seems that they did better than polls in your election.

    http://blog.hypermind.com/category/prediction-accuracy/

    To my very simple mind they are a little difficult to get my head around.
    Last edited by Jannie; 03 Aug 15, 15:35.

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  • BigDog
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    Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
    I would say this is an expression of concern among the Democratic Party elites that Clinton may actually have difficulty beating Sanders for the nomination, and they need to put forward another establishment candidate tout de suite. Enter Biden - another corporate bag man.
    Bingo.

    So far this campaign season has been interesting to watch. The Democrats are doing everything they can to marginalize Sanders, very little of which appears to be working.

    On the other side well... I have a growing suspicion that the number of candidates has been purposely done to help Bush. By having all these people in the hunt it keeps the more conservative types of the party split in who they back, it keeps one of them from gaining the support needed to take on Bush.

    It has been a tough decision since the Republican primary in the state of Alabama is where the actual election is at, but I intend to vote in the D primary and to vote for Sanders.

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  • Escape2Victory
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    Originally posted by Jannie View Post
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...tion-3824.html

    In the Real Clear Politics polling Averages data as of July 28, Clinton was running at 58 points. Her nearest competitor is Sanders who is at 18.2. Biden shows up at 12 points. The narrowest spread for her was +39.8. They combined the Quinnipiac, CNN/ORC, ABC News/Washington Post, PPP (D), and FOX News polls for their averages.

    In the Real Clear Politics averages polling data from 7-13 to 7-30 Trump is running 7.5 points ahead of his nearest competitor Walker.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...tion-3823.html

    In the General Election match ups Clinton’s nearest competitor is Bush and she beats him by 4.2 points. She beats Trump by 14.8. That is the widest spread, all of the other Republicans are behind somewhere between 4.2 and 14.8 points. The last date on that was 7/28.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...tial_race.html
    How accurate have those predictions that attempt to predict the presidential winner at this stage proved in the past? Some of big polling companies that you have also covered the recent UK election and all got it wrong.

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  • Jannie
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    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...tion-3824.html

    In the Real Clear Politics polling Averages data as of July 28, Clinton was running at 58 points. Her nearest competitor is Sanders who is at 18.2. Biden shows up at 12 points. The narrowest spread for her was +39.8. They combined the Quinnipiac, CNN/ORC, ABC News/Washington Post, PPP (D), and FOX News polls for their averages.

    In the Real Clear Politics averages polling data from 7-13 to 7-30 Trump is running 7.5 points ahead of his nearest competitor Walker.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...tion-3823.html

    In the General Election match ups Clinton’s nearest competitor is Bush and she beats him by 4.2 points. She beats Trump by 14.8. That is the widest spread, all of the other Republicans are behind somewhere between 4.2 and 14.8 points. The last date on that was 7/28.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...tial_race.html

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  • Escape2Victory
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    Sanders looks the best pick to me. Though all of his policies are not to my liking, some are.

    The book makers have made up their mind. According to them it is hardly worth having a competition, with Clinton the clear winner.

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  • Skoblin
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    Originally posted by lakechampainer View Post
    Biden Chief of Staff had meeting with big democratic fund raiser.

    On FOX News' O'Reilly Factor Thursday night Chief White House Correspondent Ed Henry reported on a meeting that occurred between Vice President Joe Biden's Chief of Staff Steve Ricchetti and a big Democratic fundraiser in the past week.

    Henry said he was able to confirm the meeting, a signal that Biden will seek the Democratic nomination, after the Clinton campaign found out about it.

    "I'm going to give you a piece of information that hasn't been reported yet," Ed Henry revealed. "I've learned that in the last week that Joe Biden's chief of staff, Steve Ricchetti, had a breakfast with Lou Susman, who is a big Democratic money man."
    I would say this is an expression of concern among the Democratic Party elites that Clinton may actually have difficulty beating Sanders for the nomination, and they need to put forward another establishment candidate tout de suite. Enter Biden - another corporate bag man.

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  • Jannie
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    I am an Independent.

    Missouri Primary will be March 15, 2015. I plan to vote Republican ticket. If Trump is still on the list, I plan to vote for him as a protest for how the Republican Party has been bought and paid for (might as well vote for a real oligarch as for one’s puppet).

    The other offices (1 US Senator and if our current US representative is running) I will vote for the one that I think will do the best job for the citizens of the state and the country, because I think a Republican will win each office. The state jobs I will vote for the one I think will be best in the job and do the most for Missouri by not following Party line, because the Republicans will take the state offices almost assuredly.

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  • Half Pint John
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    C, B & K are all no goes for me.

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  • Mountain Man
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    People like Biden and Kerry are convinced, with good reason, that they can beat out Clinton.

    Unfortunately, Kerry and Biden have a lot of baggage of their own, so we'll see.

    Frankly, however, I'm not interested in seeing a Democrat in the White House for a considerable time to come. They've done their damage and America needs time to recover and move on, creating jobs, quelling the rampant racism and dealing with domestic and foreign issues.

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  • lakechampainer
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    Biden Chief of Staff had meeting with big democratic fund raiser.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...undraiser.html

    On FOX News' O'Reilly Factor Thursday night Chief White House Correspondent Ed Henry reported on a meeting that occurred between Vice President Joe Biden's Chief of Staff Steve Ricchetti and a big Democratic fundraiser in the past week.

    Henry said he was able to confirm the meeting, a signal that Biden will seek the Democratic nomination, after the Clinton campaign found out about it.

    "I'm going to give you a piece of information that hasn't been reported yet," Ed Henry revealed. "I've learned that in the last week that Joe Biden's chief of staff, Steve Ricchetti, had a breakfast with Lou Susman, who is a big Democratic money man."

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