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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by BF69 View Post
    I didn't claim 'nothing was happening', I said that in order to assert that something was happening you need proof.
    Maybe if you didn't live 9,000 miles away in Australia you could actually see what's happening in America a little more clearly. Meanwhile, you're in no position to argue with those of us who actually live here and see what's going on for ourselves.

    Do you see any of us telling you what's going on in your country?


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  • Gixxer86g
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    Originally posted by BF69 View Post
    Could you point me to the bit about Muslim Terrorist about training camps? I couldn't find it. Still waiting for some sources on that Judicial Watch story too. Until then you have speculation on unsubstantiated rumour. The fact that a few Muslims have crossed the border illegally over a decade or so still doesn't meet that standard.

    I'm not the one suggesting there are training camps. You haven't actually been reading my posts have you?



    Claiming that I said something I didn't say is dishonest....though I suspect you don't care about that.
    The why are you doing the exact same thing?

    I provided the proof you asked for, to support the theory I have. Like I said, if it isn't good enough for you, I don't know what will be. So it's not just about providing proof, it's proof you will find acceptable. And I guess for you, that would be a Mexican politician. It's obvious I'm wasting my time.

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  • BF69
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    Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post

    We have had Islamic terrorist cells operating in the U.S. since at least the 1990s when they pulled off the first attack on the WTC. Not to mention guys like Mcveigh. Attacks have been carried out in Canada, Great Britain, France, Belgium, Saudi Arabia, Cairo, Norway, Italy, Spain, Russia, I can't understand why anyone believes Mexico is exempt.
    Who believes that? its possible, but without proof it is merely an assertion of no value, like the linking of unsourced allegations of ISIS camps in Mexico to alerts on US military bases.

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  • BF69
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    Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post
    Here you go, from a slightly more trustworthy source.

    http://homeland.house.gov/sites/homeland.house.gov/files/11-15-12-Line-in-the-Sand.pdf

    This has been common knowledge in the US, that the border is used by folks all over the world. Nothing new here. If you need anything else, search it yourself.
    Could you point me to the bit about Muslim Terrorist about training camps? I couldn't find it. Still waiting for some sources on that Judicial Watch story too. Until then you have speculation on unsubstantiated rumour. The fact that a few Muslims have crossed the border illegally over a decade or so still doesn't meet that standard.

    Remember, you were the one making the claim that nothing is happening. That is the extraordinary claim. Let's see some proof.
    People say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. As I don't feel flattered I'm going to assume that only applies when the imitator actually understands what they are imitating. I didn't claim 'nothing was happening', I said that in order to assert that something was happening you need proof. Said it rather a lot actually. You still don't have proof that anything in that article actually happened. Asking me to disprove the existence of something for which there is not yet any proof is logically absurd. Claiming that I said something I didn't say is dishonest....though I suspect you don't care about that.
    Last edited by BF69; 10 May 15, 05:18.

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  • Urban hermit
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    Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post
    Here you go, from a slightly more trustworthy source.

    http://homeland.house.gov/sites/homeland.house.gov/files/11-15-12-Line-in-the-Sand.pdf

    This has been common knowledge in the US, that the border is used by folks all over the world. Nothing new here. If you need anything else, search it yourself.

    Remember, you were the one making the claim that nothing is happening. That is the extraordinary claim. Let's see some proof.

    We have had Islamic terrorist cells operating in the U.S. since at least the 1990s when they pulled off the first attack on the WTC. Not to mention guys like Mcveigh. Attacks have been carried out in Canada, Great Britain, France, Belgium, Saudi Arabia, Cairo, Norway, Italy, Spain, Russia, I can't understand why anyone believes Mexico is exempt.
    Last edited by Urban hermit; 09 May 15, 20:17.

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  • Gixxer86g
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    Originally posted by BF69 View Post
    'We can't trust anyone, therefore all assertions offered without proof are of equal factual worth, no matter how likely or unlikely they are.'

    It is up to the person making the claim to offer proof and the more extraordinary the claim, the more extraordinary the proof required. Government ministers being untrustworthy is not proof. Feel free to provide some.
    Here you go, from a slightly more trustworthy source.

    http://homeland.house.gov/sites/homeland.house.gov/files/11-15-12-Line-in-the-Sand.pdf

    This has been common knowledge in the US, that the border is used by folks all over the world. Nothing new here. If you need anything else, search it yourself.

    Remember, you were the one making the claim that nothing is happening. That is the extraordinary claim. Let's see some proof.

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  • Sergio
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    You do realise that that article is talking about the drug cartels in Mexico and not ISIS right?

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  • Urban hermit
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    http://www.salon.com/2015/03/24/amer...drugs_partner/

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  • Urban hermit
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    Originally posted by BF69 View Post
    'We can't trust anyone, therefore all assertions offered without proof are of equal factual worth, no matter how likely or unlikely they are.'

    It is up to the person making the claim to offer proof and the more extraordinary the claim, the more extraordinary the proof required. Government ministers being untrustworthy is not proof. Feel free to provide some.
    I agree, but at the same time even a broken watch is right twice a day

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  • BF69
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    Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post
    Here's something I noticed about groups like Judicial Watch. They take bits of real info and turn them into something they aren't.

    Here's something I noticed about government ministers. They take bits of real info and turn them into something they aren't.
    'We can't trust anyone, therefore all assertions offered without proof are of equal factual worth, no matter how likely or unlikely they are.'

    It is up to the person making the claim to offer proof and the more extraordinary the claim, the more extraordinary the proof required. Government ministers being untrustworthy is not proof. Feel free to provide some.

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  • Gixxer86g
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    Originally posted by BF69 View Post
    Compared to 'unnamed sources' on a single right wing website - yep. Every day of the week. Things don't magically become true because you want them to be.
    Here's something I noticed about groups like Judicial Watch. They take bits of real info and turn them into something they aren't.

    Here's something I noticed about government ministers. They take bits of real info and turn them into something they aren't.

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  • BF69
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    Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
    The Mexican government is very trustworthy huh?
    Compared to 'unnamed sources' on a single right wing website - yep. Every day of the week. Things don't magically become true because you want them to be.

    ISIS just a lived announced they have members planted in western nations ready to strike.
    Maybe they do, maybe they don't. Doesn't qualify as proof that there are camps in Mexico (which I'm not sure is even part of 'the West'). A bunch of Muslims wandering about Mexico are going to get noticed....by people with actual names and ranks.

    Today the U.S. military raised the threat level to domestic bases, maybe they know something the Mexican gov. doesn't
    I'm betting the US military knows an absolute ton of stuff about the US that Mexico doesn't. I'm also betting the Mexican government knows a ton of stuff about Mexico that the US military (and the right wing blogsphere) doesn't. As this is about Mexico I'm going to go with the experts - Mexico.

    If you have actual proof bring it and I'll cheerfully admit I'm wrong. Until then this is just more made up ****.

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  • Urban hermit
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    Originally posted by BF69 View Post
    Mexican government disagrees. Unlike the Judicial Watch report, they actually provided a source with a name. An actual minister no less. Even the borderline cases at the Moonie Times managed to find this, though they tacked it on to a story that repeated the unsubstantiated claims verbatim. In the nature of these things, an unsourced claim will become the 'fact' to many, while the official denial will be brushed off.

    Maybe the Texas Governor will mobilize his army of Jedi Knights to deal with the threat.




    Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz3ZXEgPRY3
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    The Mexican government is very trustworthy huh? ISIS just announced they have members planted in western nations ready to strike.
    Today the U.S. military raised the threat level to domestic bases, maybe they know something the Mexican gov. doesn't
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/08/politi...ease-at-bases/
    Last edited by Urban hermit; 09 May 15, 20:07.

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  • Gixxer86g
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    Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
    There has been a tradition of Bandits in the Columbian mountains for a long time. The Drug Cartels are relatively new. What the Cartels did was hire the bandits to protect their laboratories and keep the Columbian Army away. The Bandits are still into kidnapping anyone that looks wealthy as well. If you look well fed, you are considered rich!

    Pruitt
    Sounds a bit like their friends up north. And don't forget former and current military.

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  • BF69
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    Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
    ISIS has a training base in Mexico, right across our border according to this report...
    Mexican government disagrees. Unlike the Judicial Watch report, they actually provided a source with a name. An actual minister no less. Even the borderline cases at the Moonie Times managed to find this, though they tacked it on to a story that repeated the unsubstantiated claims verbatim. In the nature of these things, an unsourced claim will become the 'fact' to many, while the official denial will be brushed off.

    Maybe the Texas Governor will mobilize his army of Jedi Knights to deal with the threat.

    Mexican authorities, however, disputed the Judicial Watch findings.

    “The government of Mexico dismisses and categorically denies each of the statements made today by the organization Judicial Watch on the alleged presence of ISIS’s operating cells throughout the border region, particularly at Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua - El Paso, Texas,” Ariel Moutsatsos-Morales, Mexico’s minister for press and public affairs, told The Washington Times.

    “The relevant authorities operating in the region have also confirmed the inexistence of these activities with their US counterparts, with whom they will continue to work closely and to exchange information at our common border,” Moutsatsos-Morales added.

    Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz3ZXEgPRY3
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