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  • Firearms safety opinions please!

    This is a real case happening in a very rural area, to set the stage for your opinion, here is a newspaper article about the case,

    "By Journal Staff | Updated Yesterday

    CHUBBUCK — A Pocatello firefighter who lives in Chubbuck has been charged with misdemeanor injury to a child in the accidental shooting death of 5-year-old Noelle Aston Shawver, of Blackfoot, last July by another 5-year-old.

    Rusty Lish will be arraigned in Bannock County Magistrate Court on the charge at 1:30 p.m. today.

    The little girl was killed after being struck by a bullet discharged from a firearm held by another 5-year-old child on the afternoon of July 30, 2014, at Lish's home. Adults in the home at the time were in another room. The deceased girl's parents, Drew and Stacie (Udy) Shawver, of Blackfoot, were visiting the Lish residence on the 600 block of Canal Street in Chubbuck.

    “It's wrong to have a firearm where a child could get ahold of it,” said Bannock County Prosecutor Steve Herzog. “We've been working on this case for a long time. Everyone knows what happened shouldn't have happened. It's been a really difficult case.”

    Herzog said the message in this prosecution should be that gun safety is an essential issue when it comes to having children and firearms in a home.

    A study by Everytown for Gun Safety released in June found that two children in the U.S. die almost every week from unintentional shootings. The study examined every publicly reported case of a child gun death from Dec. 15, 2012, through Dec. 14, 2013, and found 100 unintentional deaths in 35 states during that time period.

    According to the group, the study found most of the deaths came from a child playing with a gun."

    So my question is, what if any, charges should the home owner face?
    Before you answer consider not only did the gun owner leave a loaded .22 cal. rifle within reach of his five year old son, police found a 12 gauge shot gun with a live round in the chamber. A semi auto pistol with a live round in the chamber, and a 7 mm rifle fully loaded with a round in the chamber. All of them within reach of his five year old son.
    What say you?
    http://www.idahostatejournal.com/mem....html?mode=jqm
    Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
    Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

  • #2
    They should be subjected to the same punishment that families who raise kids that went to join ISIS, or committed acts of domestic terror.
    "Why is the Rum gone?"

    -Captain Jack

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    • #3
      It was a friggin' accident. Punishing someone for an accident is nothing short of absolutely STUPID.

      A 5 year old got ahold of a power saw in the home and injured someone with it. Would there be criminal charges?

      How about a 5 year old got his / her playmate to get in the household dryer for a spin...

      A firearm is a tool, nothing more. But, because the world is full of idiots, some judge and liar...err... lawyer is going to prosecute the parents for having a firearm.

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      • #4
        Years ago, this would have been the exception rather then the rule. Why? Because parents were more responsible back then even when the gun was hanging above the fireplace mantle. In addition to being secure, kids were taught real guns were not a toy. They were also taught not to be afraid of them, allowed to shoot them, and how to handle them safely. They were also allowed to have BB guns and did not shoot their eyes out or those of their playmates. The knew the difference between a cap gun and a real one.

        So, what has changed?

        Parents becoming irresponsible. Kids not being taught gun safety. Kids being taught to be paranoid about guns. Kids watching way too much mind poison TV with all of its violence and playing too much violence video game. Kids living in crime ridden neighborhoods. And, parents in those neighborhood leaving loaded handguns where unsupervised kids, that have had no gun safety or handling training at all, have easy access to them and can accidentally kill a sibling, the starting thread example, or take that gun to school and deliberately kill a classmate.
        “Breaking News,”

        “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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        • #5
          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
          It was a friggin' accident. Punishing someone for an accident is nothing short of absolutely STUPID.

          A 5 year old got ahold of a power saw in the home and injured someone with it. Would there be criminal charges?

          How about a 5 year old got his / her playmate to get in the household dryer for a spin...

          A firearm is a tool, nothing more. But, because the world is full of idiots, some judge and liar...err... lawyer is going to prosecute the parents for having a firearm.
          Of course it was an accident. The child didn't plan on shooting some one or at least I hope not. However the parents are guilty of gross negligence.


          the rest of your post is about a silly as one of your 5 year olds
          "Ask not what your country can do for you"

          Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

          you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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          • #6
            If you invite guest into your home, you are responsible for providing a safe environment for them. If you invite guest with small children into your home you are responsible for providing a safe environment for them. Common sense. The man in question did not do so. "charged with misdemeanor injury to a child " seems appropriate to me. The fact that it was a weapon is immaterial. If he had left a hunting knife in a location where that 5 year old could access it and that was used to cause injury then the same charge should apply.
            “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
            “To talk of many things:
            Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
            Of cabbages—and kings—
            And why the sea is boiling hot—
            And whether pigs have wings.”
            ― Lewis Carroll

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            • #7
              Well Ron you must be older than stone if you remember hanging the rifle over the fire place.

              Kids watching way too much mind poison TV with all of its violence and playing too much violence video game
              You never watched a western or war film on TV as a kid? Ever shot one of your playmates a couple hundred times over a summer of cowboy and Indians? Ever get your butt spanked or month soaped? Your right. To many "parents" don't take their roll seriously.
              "Ask not what your country can do for you"

              Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

              you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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              • #8
                They charged him with something that will wake him (and others hopefully) up without ruining his life. I find it appropriate. Too many people who are familiar with firearms lose their respect for them. I've lost count of the number of loaded guns that have been pointed at fellow employees. The customer wants to sell it to us or check out holster fit and they always say "it's not loaded". Many times, they took out the magazine but "forgot" to rack the slide to empty the chamber. You feel like beating them with their own gun.

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                • #9
                  The next round of libtard proposed laws will include not allowing home owners to have loaded weapons in their home, watch and see.
                  My worst jump story:
                  My 13th jump was on the 13th day of the month, aircraft number 013.
                  As recorded on my DA Form 1307 Individual Jump Log.
                  No lie.

                  ~
                  "Everything looks all right. Have a good jump, eh."
                  -2 Commando Jumpmaster

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                  • #10
                    That's what gun safes are for. To keep people safe.

                    Gun locks also are cheap and effective...
                    Credo quia absurdum.


                    Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 101combatvet View Post
                      The next round of libtard proposed laws will include not allowing home owners to have loaded weapons in their home, watch and see.
                      A couple kids die from weapons every couple days. Why would we suddenly get new laws proposed? Common occurrence. So, no we'll not see anything new.
                      “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                      “To talk of many things:
                      Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                      Of cabbages—and kings—
                      And why the sea is boiling hot—
                      And whether pigs have wings.”
                      ― Lewis Carroll

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                        A couple kids die from weapons every couple days. Why would we suddenly get new laws proposed? Common occurrence. So, no we'll not see anything new.
                        They die for a number of reasons because of irresponsible parents.
                        My worst jump story:
                        My 13th jump was on the 13th day of the month, aircraft number 013.
                        As recorded on my DA Form 1307 Individual Jump Log.
                        No lie.

                        ~
                        "Everything looks all right. Have a good jump, eh."
                        -2 Commando Jumpmaster

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 101combatvet View Post
                          They die for a number of reasons because of irresponsible parents.
                          Yup, every day. Which is why the law this parent was charged under has NOTHING to do with weapons. The means is immaterial. Which is how it should be.

                          If you invite guest with children into your home YOU are responsible for providing a safe environment for them. In this case the idiot in question should have simply picked up the weapons, made them safe and locked them in a room not accessible to the children. Not rocket science.
                          “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                          “To talk of many things:
                          Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                          Of cabbages—and kings—
                          And why the sea is boiling hot—
                          And whether pigs have wings.”
                          ― Lewis Carroll

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                            That's what gun safes are for. To keep people safe.

                            Gun locks also are cheap and effective...
                            Both negate the purpose of keeping a weapon for home defense.

                            How about teaching kids what guns are for and how to properly handle them at all times?
                            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              Both negate the purpose of keeping a weapon for home defense.

                              How about teaching kids what guns are for and how to properly handle them at all times?
                              Leaving 3 loaded weapons in reach of 5 year old is not responsible home defense. How about the adult being responsible enough to know that they need to keep them in a location where the 5 year old can't reach them and yet still available for home defense?
                              “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                              “To talk of many things:
                              Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                              Of cabbages—and kings—
                              And why the sea is boiling hot—
                              And whether pigs have wings.”
                              ― Lewis Carroll

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