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    TUCSON, Ariz. – The high price tag and slow repairs to a part of the border fence that divides the U.S. and Mexico are of great concern, U.S. Rep. Martha McSally (R-Arizona) said Thursday.
    McSally wrote a letter to U.S. Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Gil Kerlikowske on Thursday after an Associated Press report found the repairs to about 60 feet of fencing cost $730,000.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...ntcmp=HPBucket

  • #2
    Permits, EPA environmental impact studies, kickbacks to local politicians and unions, bid submissions and approvals, All of that prep work cost a lot more then the actual repair.
    “Breaking News,”

    “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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    • #3
      Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
      Permits, EPA environmental impact studies, kickbacks to local politicians and unions, bid submissions and approvals, All of that prep work cost a lot more then the actual repair.
      Since this was repairs to an existing portion of fence, none of that is relevant.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        Since this was repairs to an existing portion of fence, none of that is relevant.
        So, why the prohibitive cost and delays?
        “Breaking News,”

        “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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        • #5
          Sounds like the fence was 18+ feet high, went 11 feet under ground level, and was re-bar reinforced. This is probably a fairly expensive fence to repair which might partially account for it. Also, the article stated that the border patrol had to stay on site to monitor that part of the fence until it could be repaired which may have taken a while with the ground being so flooded. Maybe they're including the cost of keeping the border patrol there the whole time. Plus, it's a government thing which means it'll always cost more than a private person or company would pay.

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          • #6
            Way too high. I'd bet that $500,000+ of the cost was bureaucracy and regulatory stupidity.

            Since the fence section was in a wash / flood plane I can see some of the stupidities:

            The contractor had to put up all sorts of barriers, berms , and such per EPA regulations to prevent any contamination of flood water with construction debris... Even though this is Arizona and that wash was 99.9% unlikely to have a drop of water in it during the construction.

            The entry and exit points to the construction had to have gravel roads poured costing thousands of dollars to mitigate dust "pollution."

            The site had to have water trucks continually wetting it down to keep down dust.

            The same goes for all digging, earth moving, and excavation being done.

            Construction vehicles had to be fueled in a specific location to prevent possible fuel spill contamination while being filled.

            Everything had to be designed and engineered only to be revised because the engineers got it wrong because they never visited the site and the government told them what they wanted rather than let them decide on their own.

            Union workers were required per existing laws.

            There's a massive raft of such nonsense from government today. The result is massive expense, and projects that are variously:

            White Elephants
            Taj Mahal's
            Or Chernobyl's
            Last edited by T. A. Gardner; 17 Apr 15, 15:57.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
              Since this was repairs to an existing portion of fence, none of that is relevant.
              That depends on how the contract was set up, warranty, and O&M funding.

              It could very well be relevant.
              "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
                So, why the prohibitive cost and delays?
                That's the relevant question, isn't it?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Nichols View Post
                  That depends on how the contract was set up, warranty, and O&M funding.

                  It could very well be relevant.
                  Not the initial impact study or any of the requirements prior to building the original fence - that's all be done and over with.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    Not the initial impact study or any of the requirements prior to building the original fence - that's all be done and over with.
                    An Impact study still would have to be done.
                    "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Nichols View Post
                      An Impact study still would have to be done.
                      Especially if it was near a water source.
                      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                      • #12
                        Why? Was there a flaw in the initial impact statement? New water source not there at any time previously? Dirt that was never there before?

                        That's just re-inventing the wheel, at more than $10,000 per foot.

                        And yet we have people on this very forum who actually think we should got to places like Mars - imagine the staggering cost of that in comparison to fixing a simple fence.

                        The Russians could build us an impermeable barrier the length of the entire border for a fraction of the cost, and man it for us a lot cheaper as well. What the hell...we outsource everything else, so why not the fence?

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                        • #13
                          They stick stuff like this along freeways all the time and it doesn't cost $12,000 a foot to put up...




                          Of course, this is the same agency in the same sector that spent millions per house in Ajo (Garlic) Arizona for border agents to live in...

                          http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...using/2642491/

                          The federal government spent, on average, more than $600,000 apiece to plan and build 21 two- and three-bedroom houses and develop the surrounding area to attract U.S. Customs and Border Protection personnel to live in this small former mining community. The new homes range in size from 1,276 to 1,570 square feet.



                          In that stupidity they contracted Sundt Construction to do the work. Sundt normally builds things like skyscrapers and football stadiums, that sort of large commercial project. They didn't have a company that builds homes do the work.

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                          • #14
                            And that ...

                            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                            Way too high. I'd bet that $500,000+ of the cost was bureaucracy and regulatory stupidity.

                            Since the fence section was in a wash / flood plane I can see some of the stupidities:

                            The contractor had to put up all sorts of barriers, berms , and such per EPA regulations to prevent any contamination of flood water with construction debris... Even though this is Arizona and that wash was 99.9% unlikely to have a drop of water in it during the construction.

                            The entry and exit points to the construction had to have gravel roads poured costing thousands of dollars to mitigate dust "pollution."

                            The site had to have water trucks continually wetting it down to keep down dust.

                            The same goes for all digging, earth moving, and excavation being done.

                            Construction vehicles had to be fueled in a specific location to prevent possible fuel spill contamination while being filled.

                            Everything had to be designed and engineered only to be revised because the engineers got it wrong because they never visited the site and the government told them what they wanted rather than let them decide on their own.

                            Union workers were required per existing laws.

                            There's a massive raft of such nonsense from government today. The result is massive expense, and projects that are variously:

                            White Elephants
                            Taj Mahal's
                            Or Chernobyl's
                            ... folks is why they should've just gone to Nogales and hired "Dos Expertos Construcción Inc." and their front loader, to do the work, and pocketed the difference, like in the good old days - Olé!!
                            "I am Groot"
                            - Groot

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Marmat View Post
                              ... folks is why they should've just gone to Nogales and hired "Dos Expertos Construcción Inc." and their front loader, to do the work, and pocketed the difference, like in the good old days - Olé!!
                              Today it's the MIABIA (pronounced me-a-be-a) corporation or Made In America By Illegal Aliens...

                              That way once the illegals have the wall finished you make sure they're on the Mexican side and tell them "You can collect your pay when you get back to America... Maybe!"

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