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  • Los Angeles Police Department taught the Canadian way when it comes to using force

    From the CBC:

    Psychologist from Red Deer teaches L.A. recruits when to use force

    Jogging across the academy campus in central Los Angeles, the city's freshest police recruits already fit one Canadian stereotype: they're unfailingly polite. They stop walking in the presence of an actual police officer and address even journalists as "sir."

    Unbeknownst to them, the LAPD recruits are being guided in part during their six-month training by Canadian values and ideas.

    During the next six months, they'll learn a variety of skills, like how to keep their police car on the road while chasing suspects, how to fire their weapons, and, most importantly, when to fire them.

    At a time when police shootings are in the spotlight in the United States like never before, Canada has a surprisingly large role to play in the U.S.'s third-largest police force.

    'It comes from Canada'

    Read it all at:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/los-ang...orce-1.3025580
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  • #2
    So, they've learned the fetal position eh?

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    • #3
      Well, ...

      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
      So, they've learned the fetal position eh?
      ... that's nasty enough.

      I'm not a big fan of the RCMP, or how they do things at times, but a Police Officer/Public Servant who is assertive, in control AND polite in dealings with the public, is considerably different than, one in the fetal position i.e. "the act of curling yourself in a ball and crying like a little girl in hopes that your attacker will just go away" (Urban Dictionary). And it can be demonstrated that an officer so trained is less likely to use unwarranted deadly force on a fleeing, unarmed, non-assaultive, easily identifiable suspect in a relatively trivial offense, where follow-up and back-up can be utilized for an officer safe, community friendly arrest at a later time, eh.
      "I am Groot"
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      • #4
        Well, it doesn't seem to have taken affect...

        http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/...T0?ocid=SMSDHP

        LOS ANGELES — After leading authorities on a nearly three-hour pursuit by car and horseback, Francis Pusok was lying face down in the dirt with his hands clasped behind his back as San Bernardino County Sheriff's deputies moved in.

        Then the "feeding frenzy" began, as one police tactics expert put it.

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        • #5
          Are you sure ...

          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
          Well, it doesn't seem to have taken affect...

          http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/...T0?ocid=SMSDHP
          ... that the San Bernardino County Sheriff and the Los Angeles Police Department are the same thing? Or that the recruits of the former have had the same training as the latter, or that it was based on the RCMP's CAPRA: Community Policing Problem Solving Model that the latter went to not all that long ago? Apples & Oranges perhaps?

          Hey, I'm old school, the way it was and some of the things I was taught, have no place in today's world, in the information age they've become first and foremost for all to see, and simply not tolerated, even by coppers.
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          • #6
            Lol. Many people have no clue as to the reputation of LA LE. They get the scum that don't get the better paying positions elsewhere...

            Their track record is pretty bad...
            Credo quia absurdum.


            Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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            • #7
              I've had that training syllabus. However, the reason cadets stop & call officers 'sir' is not part of it; that is a legacy of US military training.

              Its pretty much the same old-same old COP stuff that most instructors snicker while reading out of the handbook.

              But it looks real impressive when the Chief talks about it at the Rotary.
              Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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              • #8
                Let's move American crime to Canada and see how their system really works.
                Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  Let's move American crime to Canada and see how their system really works.
                  Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                  • #10
                    Really works?

                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    Let's move American crime to Canada and see how their system really works.
                    As US criminal immigrants cross the border, they're given welfare, clean affordable public housing, free health, dental and eye care, free child care, subsidized tuition ... and they're completely different law abiding people. Turns out, they'd "fallen through the cracks" in the US system, or were merely "misunderstood" all along! Go figure!
                    "I am Groot"
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Marmat View Post
                      As US criminal immigrants cross the border, they're given welfare, clean affordable public housing, free health, dental and eye care, free child care, subsidized tuition ... and they're completely different law abiding people. Turns out, they'd "fallen through the cracks" in the US system, or were merely "misunderstood" all along! Go figure!

                      In my burg alone there's several hundred Canadians with green cards, MDs and RNs fleeing your medical system.

                      But feel free to take on as many welfare types as your taxpayers can afford. You're welcome to them.
                      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                        In my burg alone there's several hundred Canadians with green cards, MDs and RNs fleeing your medical system.
                        Not fleeing the Canadian medical system...But going to where the pay is better.

                        Pay and work conditions are varied from province to province (Healthcare is under provincial jurisdiction), but at least the first question they ask here to patience in triage is "Where does it hurt?", not "Have you got insurance?"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Capt AFB View Post
                          Not fleeing the Canadian medical system...But going to where the pay is better.
                          That's how they describe it.

                          But sure, underpaid is bound to be better. I expect the best of the MDs and nursing specialists stay in Canada, because after all, who wants to work for more pay.

                          Originally posted by Capt AFB View Post
                          Pay and work conditions are varied from province to province (Healthcare is under provincial jurisdiction), but at least the first question they ask here to patience in triage is "Where does it hurt?", not "Have you got insurance?"
                          Funny, I've hauled countless people to the ER over the decades, and never heard that once.
                          Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Marmat View Post
                            ... that's nasty enough.

                            I'm not a big fan of the RCMP, or how they do things at times, but a Police Officer/Public Servant who is assertive, in control AND polite in dealings with the public, is considerably different than, one in the fetal position i.e. "the act of curling yourself in a ball and crying like a little girl in hopes that your attacker will just go away" (Urban Dictionary). And it can be demonstrated that an officer so trained is less likely to use unwarranted deadly force on a fleeing, unarmed, non-assaultive, easily identifiable suspect in a relatively trivial offense, where follow-up and back-up can be utilized for an officer safe, community friendly arrest at a later time, eh.
                            Actually- Canadian police are trained to assume the fetal position when in one on one combat with a Grizzly Bear, but to go for it mano a' bearo when facing a black bruin or a polar bear...
                            The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by marktwain View Post
                              Actually- Canadian police are trained to assume the fetal position when in one on one combat with a Grizzly Bear, but to go for it mano a' bearo when facing a black bruin or a polar bear...
                              Anyone who has lived in Alaska knows this as well.
                              Кто там?
                              Это я - Почтальон Печкин!
                              Tunis is a Carthigenian city!

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