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  • Is America infrastructure falling apart ?

    So is the USA falling apart as this article claims ?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-10125082.html

  • #3
    Yes.
    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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    • #4
      Depends. Do you live in a state with a failing tax base and economy? Has your state been run primarily by Democrats for decades?

      Then, yes, the infrastructure is probably falling apart.

      On the other hand, if you live in a state that has a growing economy and tax base and isn't run by Democrats (that doesn't mean to imply it is run by Republicans either) then the infrastructure is probably in pretty good shape.

      As a secondary condition, the state's weather plays a role too.

      As an example, Arizona has decent weather, has been run by split government or Republicans for decades, has a growing economy, tax base, and population. The infrastructure is in really good shape and much of it is new.
      The one place in Arizona where the streets are crumbling, there are major infrastructure issues, and other associated problems is Pima County / Tucson where the Democrats have their bastion of power in the state.
      In the last few years Tucson has spent heavily on installing a trolley to nowhere in their small downtown, lots on decorative art on overpasses and the like, and on expanding their bus system.
      The streets are crumbling. The city water system is in poor shape. The city refuses to build any freeways but makes damn sure there are more bike paths and these super annoying and expensive Hawk pedestrian crosswalks...



      In short, Tucson is doing what the Left loves in transportation and failing their city totally.


      Go to states like California, Illinois, or Michigan where the Democrats have held power of decades, the population and economy are in decline, and the tax base is iffy. Those states have major infrastructure issues. In all three weather or other factors have also made it worse for infrastructure.
      Last edited by T. A. Gardner; 22 Mar 15, 15:42.

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      • #5
        What TAG said.

        In states where the Dems have run off the business that fuel a tax base (thanks for all those extra jobs, BTW ) and **** away millions in pork barrel projects, yeah, they have problems. It doesn't help that many are snow states where climate and season create problems in any case.

        But Texas is doing fine. The only problem we have is keeping up with the economic boom.
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        • #6
          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
          But Texas is doing fine. The only problem we have is keeping up with the economic boom.
          Are we driving on the same Texas roads? If Texas is doing "fine" then I fear what is happening to the rest of the nation!

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          • #7
            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
            Depends. Do you live in a state with a failing tax base and economy? Has your state been run primarily by Democrats for decades?

            Then, yes, the infrastructure is probably falling apart.

            On the other hand, if you live in a state that has a growing economy and tax base and isn't run by Democrats (that doesn't mean to imply it is run by Republicans either) then the infrastructure is probably in pretty good shape.

            As a secondary condition, the state's weather plays a role too.

            As an example, Arizona has decent weather, has been run by split government or Republicans for decades, has a growing economy, tax base, and population. The infrastructure is in really good shape and much of it is new.
            The one place in Arizona where the streets are crumbling, there are major infrastructure issues, and other associated problems is Pima County / Tucson where the Democrats have their bastion of power in the state.
            In the last few years Tucson has spent heavily on installing a trolley to nowhere in their small downtown, lots on decorative art on overpasses and the like, and on expanding their bus system.
            The streets are crumbling. The city water system is in poor shape. The city refuses to build any freeways but makes damn sure there are more bike paths and these super annoying and expensive Hawk pedestrian crosswalks...



            In short, Tucson is doing what the Left loves in transportation and failing their city totally.


            Go to states like California, Illinois, or Michigan where the Democrats have held power of decades, the population and economy are in decline, and the tax base is iffy. Those states have major infrastructure issues. In all three weather or other factors have also made it worse for infrastructure.
            WHAT do you have against school children. Haven't been able to have any of your own or what?
            "Ask not what your country can do for you"

            Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

            you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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            • #8
              Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
              WHAT do you have against school children. Haven't been able to have any of your own or what?
              Nothing. But, if the crossing guard isn't going to stop traffic, a bunch of blinking lights won't.
              What do you have against sensible use of public money?

              And, have you ever driven where they have the Hawk pedestrian signals? I have. One of the pranks kids enjoy to no end is activating them on a busy street at rush hour...

              Talk about a way to tie up traffic endlessly...

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              • #9
                Dave, that link was a big pile...Instead of talking about the infrastructure, he talks about ac and credit cards in cabs.
                "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                • #10
                  Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                  Nothing. But, if the crossing guard isn't going to stop traffic, a bunch of blinking lights won't.
                  What do you have against sensible use of public money?

                  And, have you ever driven where they have the Hawk pedestrian signals? I have. One of the pranks kids enjoy to no end is activating them on a busy street at rush hour...

                  Talk about a way to tie up traffic endlessly...
                  Just how long have you had blinking lights down there in Tombstone for school crossings? I had them when I was going to school and that is more than a couple years ago. I have no idea what the Hawk system is.
                  "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                  Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                  you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                  • #11
                    Can we focus on the OP?

                    Most of the major bridges in America are in dire straits. A number of them should be condemned but are still being used because there isn't any viable alternative.

                    Back roads are often in poor repair.

                    Considering the amount of Federal fuel tax and the fact that that specific tax money was designated for maintenance and upkeep of roads and bridges, things should not the way they are no matter where you live.
                    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                    • #12
                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                      Depends. Do you live in a state with a failing tax base and economy? Has your state been run primarily by Democrats for decades?

                      Then, yes, the infrastructure is probably falling apart.

                      On the other hand, if you live in a state that has a growing economy and tax base and isn't run by Democrats (that doesn't mean to imply it is run by Republicans either) then the infrastructure is probably in pretty good shape.

                      As a secondary condition, the state's weather plays a role too.

                      As an example, Arizona has decent weather, has been run by split government or Republicans for decades, has a growing economy, tax base, and population. The infrastructure is in really good shape and much of it is new.
                      The one place in Arizona where the streets are crumbling, there are major infrastructure issues, and other associated problems is Pima County / Tucson where the Democrats have their bastion of power in the state.
                      In the last few years Tucson has spent heavily on installing a trolley to nowhere in their small downtown, lots on decorative art on overpasses and the like, and on expanding their bus system.
                      The streets are crumbling. The city water system is in poor shape. The city refuses to build any freeways but makes damn sure there are more bike paths and these super annoying and expensive Hawk pedestrian crosswalks...



                      In short, Tucson is doing what the Left loves in transportation and failing their city totally.


                      Go to states like California, Illinois, or Michigan where the Democrats have held power of decades, the population and economy are in decline, and the tax base is iffy. Those states have major infrastructure issues. In all three weather or other factors have also made it worse for infrastructure.
                      I agree, it all depends on where you live.





                      Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                      Are we driving on the same Texas roads? If Texas is doing "fine" then I fear what is happening to the rest of the nation!
                      I do, there is nothing wrong with our highways other than the never ending construction on I 35 just north of you and that's just proof that we are keeping up with our infrastructure and I have never encountered any bad roads or potholes around the area where you go to school.
                      Last edited by Trung Si; 22 Mar 15, 17:47.
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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        Considering the amount of Federal fuel tax and the fact that that specific tax money was designated for maintenance and upkeep of roads and bridges, things should not the way they are no matter where you live.
                        Politicians from all sides have been squandering those funds since the very beginning.


                        Taxpayers, especially those who drive, should not be seduced by their rhetoric. To the extent that U.S. roads and bridges need repair, the simple answer is to end our elected officials’ long history of diverting and squandering fuel-tax dollars.

                        Politicians say state and federal fuel taxes are based on the premise that road users should fund construction and repair. Not so. The first federal gasoline tax, enacted in 1932, was used for deficit reduction during the Great Depression. Subsequent increases have been used to fund wars, subsidize mass-transit, repair leaking underground fuel-storage tanks, and, in 1993, more deficit reduction.

                        In 1995 and in 1997, Congress re-designated the deficit-reduction portions of the motor-fuel tax revenues, amounting to 6.8 cents per gallon, to the Highway Trust Fund, a “lock box” created in 1956 to pay for roads and bridges. A Congressional Research Service report says of 18.4 cents a gallon excise tax, 15.44 cents (84 percent) is earmarked for highways.

                        Yet earmarking has not prevented wasteful spending of highway dollar. Billions have been used to fund pork-barrel projects favored by lawmakers for their districts. The Big Dig infrastructure project in Boston cost five-times the initial estimate and took nine years longer than expected to complete. A similar project in Seattle, estimated at $1.4 billion, already has cost $1 billion and is only 11 percent complete.
                        Federal gas tax money has also been used to create hiking trails and even erect a Packard car museum in Warren, Ohio.

                        State gas taxes, meanwhile, are being used to service debt and fund projects other than roads and bridges. One-quarter of Texas’ state gas tax revenue is spent on education. Kansas has devoted much of its gas tax money to Medicaid.

                        http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-bl...es-think-again
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                        • #14
                          Anybody say there is no problem I'll invite to do a coast to coast on I 80 or a N-S on I 95.
                          "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                          Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                          you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            Can we focus on the OP?

                            Most of the major bridges in America are in dire straits. A number of them should be condemned but are still being used because there isn't any viable alternative.

                            Back roads are often in poor repair.

                            Considering the amount of Federal fuel tax and the fact that that specific tax money was designated for maintenance and upkeep of roads and bridges, things should not the way they are no matter where you live.
                            Most infrastructure, like roads and bridges, are primarily a state responsibility. Those things are not the responsibility of the federal government except to some extent on interstate (aka "defense") highways.

                            The states where bridges and roads are crumbling are mainly ones with decades of Democrat control, poor weather or other natural conditions, and a declining economic and tax structure.

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