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    A government crackdown on churches has Christians in Lake Worth, Fla., wondering if they live in the United States or the former Soviet Union.
    Churches in Lake Worth, population 36,000, have been ordered to acquire a business license. As if the church has to get the government’s permission to preach and pray?


    But wait. It gets worse, folks.


    City officials were so concerned about one congregation that they dispatched a code enforcement officer cloaked in a hoodie to spy on a Southern Baptist church that was meeting in a coffee house.
    It’s like the plot of a Cold War spy novel.
    Folks, it’s like the plot of a Cold War spy novel.


    “Government employees are public servants and prohibited by the Constitution from inhibiting religious freedom,” said Mat Staver, founder of the religious liberty law firm Liberty Counsel. “That is a far cry from sneaking around and into a church and acting like KGB agents.”
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/...n-on-churches/
    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

  • #2
    I think there's going to be a town in Florida that will shortly be filing for bankruptcy...

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    • #3
      It's a coffee bar, therefore it needs a business licence.


      The church owns and operates a coffee house in downtown Lake Worth. For the past three months, it has used the coffee house for a weekly worship service. Prior to that the congregation rented space in other buildings in the community.
      Too easy sometimes

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      • #4
        Well, if they are running a business, should they not have to get a business license? If they are serving food, should they not have to obey the sanitary laws for restaurants?

        If they are meeting in a house of worship that is one thing--if they run a house of worship as a business to attract non-believers that is another.

        I know this is some pretty current stuff for churches to do. I know a couple of ladies that go to church in a bar on Wednesday evenings. Its a missionary thing. I would think it might be better for a privately owned coffee house to let a church proselytize there. More than one way to skin a cat.
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        • #5
          It is absolutely essential to read to original post before responding.


          Churches in Lake Worth, population 36,000, have been ordered to acquire a business license.
          The town is requiring all churches to get a license, not just the people meeting in the coffee shop, which should already have a business license.

          It's a clear violation of the Constitution, and it's going to bite somebody very hard.

          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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          • #6
            Now, I could see an individual case like one that happened in Phoenix a few years ago.

            A guy got a permit to build a large garage on his property. That's what the building permit etc., was for.
            He started holding church services in the building shortly after completion.
            The neighbors complained (this was in a single family home neighborhood) about all the cars parking, all the people, trash, etc. The city investigated and found he was holding church services. They hit him for building code violations like inadequate parking, zoning violations, inadequate exits, fire suppression, and the like.
            He claimed religious freedom and told them to shove it. Things escalated over about a two years until the guy finally got hit for tens of thousands in fines, penalties, and the like by the courts who ruled the city wasn't suppressing his religious freedom but rather wanting him to follow building and zoning code and had been from the start. They also found he lied about his building permits, zoning use, and the like and hit him for extra because he knowingly violated these codes and laws intentionally from the start.

            That's reasonable. If you want to build a church, fine. Just make sure that the building is reasonably safe for the public to use. That means meeting zoning and building codes.
            (Note, I don't agree with everything in code or zoning laws but that's a different issue)

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            • #7
              I have to disagree with Staver on one thing. This Amoroso loser is not engaging in KGB like activity and "spy stuff". Trying to conceal yourself with a hoodie and sneak into a Christian church by wearing a cross and saying "hey this Jesus guy is pretty cool, right?" is not the behavior of someone engaged in espionage. It's the behavior of a high school dropout who's only experience in the field of espionage was reading Harriet the Spy. This Amoroso crackpot needs to stop playing spy dress up and work the job he has, not the job he wants. Comparing him to the KGB is grossly overrating him.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Pirateship1982 View Post
                I have to disagree with Staver on one thing. This Amoroso loser is not engaging in KGB like activity and "spy stuff". Trying to conceal yourself with a hoodie and sneak into a Christian church by wearing a cross and saying "hey this Jesus guy is pretty cool, right?" is not the behavior of someone engaged in espionage. It's the behavior of a high school dropout who's only experience in the field of espionage was reading Harriet the Spy. This Amoroso crackpot needs to stop playing spy dress up and work the job he has, not the job he wants. Comparing him to the KGB is grossly overrating him.
                If he was KGB they wouldn't have even known he was there...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  It is absolutely essential to read to original post before responding.




                  The town is requiring all churches to get a license, not just the people meeting in the coffee shop, which should already have a business license.

                  It's a clear violation of the Constitution, and it's going to bite somebody very hard.

                  Reading comprehension is not Paddyboy's forte.
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                  • #10
                    A Florida city’s code-enforcement division, which was subject in 2013 to a scathing audit for falsifying inspections, employing unqualified inspectors and failing to clean up nuisance properties, has now decided to go after churches
                    But Common Grounds Coffee Bar does have a business license, Olive told the Tribune. He should know – he owns the business. And the site is not a church – it’s a coffee shop that leases space to a church every Sunday morning in the same manner other city restaurants and businesses rent their back rooms to neighborhood groups for their meetings. The Common Grounds site has also hosted open-mic nights and leased space for English classes for immigrants and to Narcotics Anonymous and Alcoholics Anonymous for meetings.
                    Olive told the Tribune he had heard that City Commissioner Andy Amoroso, who owns a newsstand and gay-pornography shop in Lake Worth, was telling people Olive and his church were “anti-gay,” a charge Olive denied and attempted to address personally with Amoroso.
                    Now its starting to make sense!!
                    Mark Woods, the manager of the city’s Code-Compliance Department, insists all houses of worship in the city must have a special business license.

                    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...QBm2XZ9QO4kW5g


                    City council run by liberals = corruption.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Savez View Post
                      Now its starting to make sense!!

                      City council run by liberals = corruption.
                      More like a city run by Leftists = Dictatorship. Corruption just follows...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
                        If he was KGB they wouldn't have even known he was there...
                        From what I've read about KGB penetration of churches, I would say you are 100% correct.

                        http://books.google.com/books?id=9TW...page&q&f=false

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                        • #13
                          "Staver is calling on city leaders to immediately rescind the business license mandate on churches. He is also representing Common Ground Church, the congregation that was targeted by the city’s investigator."

                          "The church owns and operates a coffee house in downtown Lake Worth. For the past three months, it has used the coffee house for a weekly worship service. Prior to that the congregation rented space in other buildings in the community. "


                          A church owns and runs a coffee shop in their church. Is the town requiring the Coffee shop or the Church get a business license?
                          Last edited by Half Pint John; 06 Mar 15, 05:25.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
                            If he was KGB they wouldn't have even known he was there...
                            No, if he was KGB he wouldn't even be there, he would have recruited a church member or sent a source to join the church while he was at the embassy working in his cover job as an entertainment liason.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Stryker 19K30 View Post
                              No, if he was KGB he wouldn't even be there, he would have recruited a church member or sent a source to join the church while he was at the embassy working in his cover job as an entertainment liason.
                              And I presume you mean the British embassy...

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