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  • Persephone
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    Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
    But then, and this might risk derailing the thread, but isn't the same logic used regarding gay marriage? That if X state gives a marriage license to a gay couple, then said license has to be respected in all 50 states, right?

    As creator of thread...you have my permission to expand the topic.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
    But then, and this might risk derailing the thread, but isn't the same logic used regarding gay marriage? That if X state gives a marriage license to a gay couple, then said license has to be respected in all 50 states, right?
    No real problem with that. I think though that one's sexual choice and that is what gay is a choice is a matter for society to decide, not the courts. But that is for another thread.

    That said, it's fine if the gay couple is visiting that state. It is another matter they decide to move there permanently. If I move to California per my earlier example with motor vehicles, then I would be required to remove my tint and get a California license plate.

    Visiting is one thing. Moving there permanently is another.
    Last edited by T. A. Gardner; 14 Mar 15, 20:42.

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  • Daemon of Decay
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Reciprocity laws are pretty simple. One state makes allowances for residents of another state obeying what they believe is the law as written in their own state.

    For example, if I go to California in my truck with windows with "limo" tint on them and tinting on the driver and passenger window and parts of the windshield as allowed by Arizona and am pulled over there because California doesn't allow window tint like that the ticket gets tossed.

    I can also drive pretty freely through California red light and speed cameras because they only photograph the front of the vehicle. Arizona does not require a front license plate on a vehicle, California does.

    The same should apply to CC / gun ownership. I apply Arizona's law properly. The state I am in honors that to the extent they can. At worst, if they don't want me armed they ship my weapon etc., to my home or a law enforcement agency in my state for me to recover the weapon when I get home. No legal action is taken and the state that doesn't want me armed pays to have the weapon removed to my state. That seems perfectly fair.
    But then, and this might risk derailing the thread, but isn't the same logic used regarding gay marriage? That if X state gives a marriage license to a gay couple, then said license has to be respected in all 50 states, right?

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  • Hida Akechi
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    Originally posted by Persephone View Post


    Harper: Guns important for 'safety' in rural homes far from 'immediate police assistance'

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/harpe...ance-1.2277304
    Thanks.

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  • Half Pint John
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    Let's try that again without the all-inclusive insult please. - ACG staff
    Last edited by Skoblin; 16 Mar 15, 15:15.

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  • johns624
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    I am covered by LEORSA... The rules are different for me.

    That is my 9mm semi-automatic with 15 round magazines is perfectly legal for me to tote so long as I have my ID with me.
    I've read stories of NJ/NY still jacking up out-of-state LEO's.
    While I agree with training on the one hand, on the other, there have been very, very few stupid incidents with permit holders.
    I don't know why TX can't bust out-of-staters breaking the law, reciprocity only means that you honor the permit, the permit holder still needs to follow your laws. Here's an example--Joe Public has a drivers license from a state with a 75mph speed limit. Your state has a 60mph limit. When you pull him over, you recognize that he can legally drive in your state because of his license, but you still bust him for speeding. What he can do in his home state has nothing to do with it.

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  • Persephone
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    Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
    Oh boy...

    So, what's that all about?


    The act would curtail “the discretionary authority of chief firearms officers,” according to the Library of Parliament. “What we are trying to do with that legislation are some things that will both increase safety around the acquisition and use of firearms but also to deal with some of the bureaucracy and excessive red tape,” he said.
    “In some provinces, those firearms officers have exercised their authority in extremely arbitrary ways.”


    Harper: Guns important for 'safety' in rural homes far from 'immediate police assistance'

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/harpe...ance-1.2277304

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  • Persephone
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    I am covered by LEORSA... The rules are different for me.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Enf...ers_Safety_Act



    That is my 9mm semi-automatic with 15 round magazines is perfectly legal for me to tote so long as I have my ID with me.

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  • Hida Akechi
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    Originally posted by Persephone View Post
    Canada has a gun bill working its way through called The Common Sense Firearms Licensing Act.
    Oh boy...

    So, what's that all about?

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by Persephone View Post
    Don't get busted driving through Sunnyvale, CA with a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds.

    Since 2000, California law has banned making, selling, giving or lending magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds. The city of Sunnyvale went even further by making it illegal to even possess them. If you are pulled over while driving through the city, they will confiscate it and charge you.
    I am covered by LEORSA... The rules are different for me.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Enf...ers_Safety_Act

    “The bill removes the ability of police departments to enforce rules and policies on when and how their own officers can carry firearms. Police chiefs will lose the authority to prohibit their own officers from carrying certain weapons on-duty or off-duty. Section 2 of the bill provides that regardless of ‘‘any other provision of the law of any State or any political subdivision thereof,’’ any individual who qualifies as a law enforcement officer and who carries photo identification will be authorized to carry any firearm. In a variety of contexts, including the federal preemption of state law, courts have interpreted the term ‘‘law’’ to include agency rules and regulations. The Supreme Court has ruled that this term specifically includes contractual obligations between employers and employees, such as work rules, policies, and practices promulgated by state and local police departments.[17]
    That is my 9mm semi-automatic with 15 round magazines is perfectly legal for me to tote so long as I have my ID with me.

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  • Persephone
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    Canada has a gun bill working its way through called The Common Sense Firearms Licensing Act.

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  • Persephone
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Reciprocity laws are pretty simple. One state makes allowances for residents of another state obeying what they believe is the law as written in their own state.

    For example, if I go to California in my truck with windows with "limo" tint on them and tinting on the driver and passenger window and parts of the windshield as allowed by Arizona and am pulled over there because California doesn't allow window tint like that the ticket gets tossed.

    I can also drive pretty freely through California red light and speed cameras because they only photograph the front of the vehicle. Arizona does not require a front license plate on a vehicle, California does.

    The same should apply to CC / gun ownership. I apply Arizona's law properly. The state I am in honors that to the extent they can. At worst, if they don't want me armed they ship my weapon etc., to my home or a law enforcement agency in my state for me to recover the weapon when I get home. No legal action is taken and the state that doesn't want me armed pays to have the weapon removed to my state. That seems perfectly fair.

    Don't get busted driving through Sunnyvale, CA with a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds.

    Since 2000, California law has banned making, selling, giving or lending magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds. The city of Sunnyvale went even further by making it illegal to even possess them. If you are pulled over while driving through the city, they will confiscate it and charge you. They don't care what loose gun laws you have in Arizona.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Reciprocity laws are pretty simple. One state makes allowances for residents of another state obeying what they believe is the law as written in their own state.

    For example, if I go to California in my truck with windows with "limo" tint on them and tinting on the driver and passenger window and parts of the windshield as allowed by Arizona and am pulled over there because California doesn't allow window tint like that the ticket gets tossed.

    I can also drive pretty freely through California red light and speed cameras because they only photograph the front of the vehicle. Arizona does not require a front license plate on a vehicle, California does.

    The same should apply to CC / gun ownership. I apply Arizona's law properly. The state I am in honors that to the extent they can. At worst, if they don't want me armed they ship my weapon etc., to my home or a law enforcement agency in my state for me to recover the weapon when I get home. No legal action is taken and the state that doesn't want me armed pays to have the weapon removed to my state. That seems perfectly fair.

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  • Daemon of Decay
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    Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
    I'm down with that as long as they have training.

    I don't like nitwits running around without NRA safety training though.

    http://training.nra.org/
    That's kinda my biggest obstacle to the people who want all the people to be armed all the time.

    I don't worry about trained, sane people carrying weapons. I just don't think that every citizen is capable of safely managing a weapon wherever they go just because they bought it.

    I always appreciated my folks teaching me at a young age how to safely handle a gun. I think anyone who wants to carry a gun should have at least some level of training. At least enough so they know which end is the dangerous bit.

    Or so they don't try the whole 'catching a bullet in your mouth' magic trick...

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  • Persephone
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    WV just passed a bill eliminating the requirement for a CCP.

    WV House of Delegates passes bill to eliminate requirement for concealed carry permits
    Mar 12, 2015 1:00 PM PDT

    In a 71-29 vote, the House of Delegates passed Senate Bill 347, creating the Firearms Act of 2015.

    The proposed measure would eliminate the need for a concealed carry permit in West Virginia. Currently, those 18 and older not prohibited from carrying a weapon are allowed to carry openly without any kind of a license or permit. It would allow a waiver for anyone older than 18 but younger than 21 who serves in the military. If passed, the measure would allow 21-year-olds to conceal carry without obtaining a permit or taking safety classes. Because the House passed an amendment that would raise the age from originally 18 to 21, the Senate will have to concur before the bill goes to Gov. Tomblin for his signature.

    The proposed measure keeps prohibitions of current law in place, such as restricting convicted felons and individuals with a history of domestic violence from owning firearms.

    http://www.wowktv.com/story/28411669...-carry-permits

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