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    MEASLES OUTBREAK CASTS SPOTLIGHT ON ANTI-VACCINE MOVEMENT

    LOS ANGELES (AP) -- A major measles outbreak traced to Disneyland has brought criticism down on the small but vocal movement among parents to opt out of vaccinations for their children.

    In a rash of cases that public health officials are rushing to contain, at least 70 people in six states and Mexico have fallen ill since mid-December, most of them from California. The vast majority of those who got sick had not gotten the measles-mumps-rubella, or MMR, vaccine.

    While still a scourge in many corners of the world, measles has been all but eradicated in the U.S. since 2000 because of vaccinations. But the virus has made a comeback in recent years, in part because of people obtaining personal belief exemptions from rules that say children must get their shots to enroll in school.

    Others have delayed getting their children vaccinated because they still believe now-discredited research linking the measles vaccine to autism.

    "Some people are just incredibly selfish" by skipping shots, said Dr. James Cherry, a pediatric disease expert at the University of California, Los Angeles.
    AP - Full Article

    What a tragedy - the idiocy of parents damaging the health of not only their own kids, but the children of others as well.

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    More likely, this being Southern California, it was semi-literate illegal alien parents who didn't get the kids vaccinated because of (pick from the list):

    Lack of money preferring to spend it on Disneyland

    Lack of knowledge / interest

    Fear of authorities

    Parental incompetence

    Lying on forms and official documents about the children having vaccines

    This is far more likely given the number of illegal aliens in California, along with the fact that the outbreak quickly spread to Mexico, than among the relative handful of US citizen parents involved in the anti-vaccine movement.

    But, I can see both California authorities and the MSM wanting to avoid dumping this epidemic on illegal immigration because of the potentially negative effects it would have on public opinion of illegal immigrants.

    In other words, the press and authorities found a convenient scapegoat to maintain a politically correct position on illegal immigration.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
      In other words, the press and authorities found a convenient scapegoat to maintain a politically correct position on illegal immigration.
      Wow. That is quite the leap you're making. I'm interested to see what evidence you've got to support this accusation.

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      • #4
        The last time I had to fool with this kind of issue, Louisiana was providing free vaccinations at Parish Health units. I preferred to get my children vaccinated at the pediatricians office. Now my kids are 40 and 26.

        Pruitt
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
          The last time I had to fool with this kind of issue, Louisiana was providing free vaccinations at Parish Health units. I preferred to get my children vaccinated at the pediatricians office. Now my kids are 40 and 26.

          Pruitt
          I've just been amazed by the numbers of people refusing to get their kids vaccinated - I remember all the craziness when they were discussing vaccines causing autism, before that bologna was debunked. And yet, we still have people refusing to protect their kids from easily prevented diseases like this.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
            Wow. That is quite the leap you're making. I'm interested to see what evidence you've got to support this accusation.
            I'm guessing based on what I know of the illegal population (which is significant).

            It may be parents afraid of vaccines but given that there are somewhere between 11 and 12 million illegals in the state of California and roughly 6 to 8 million of them don't have an 8th grade education what would you think?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
              I'm guessing based on what I know of the illegal population (which is significant).

              It may be parents afraid of vaccines but given that there are somewhere between 11 and 12 million illegals in the state of California and roughly 6 to 8 million of them don't have an 8th grade education what would you think?
              That the problem is that we have people who are not vaccinated in this country, not Mexico.

              Immunization, measles (% of children ages 12-23 months)

              Mexico has comparable rates to the United States (sometimes even higher) when it comes to immunization rates for children. So the claim that this obviously must be because of illegals coming across the border and thus the article is just part of some PC conspiracy for not addressing this goes against the facts and has no supporting evidence.

              Not only is Disneyland a major international travel destination, but there are travelers from many other locations - perfectly legal tourists - who haven't been vaccinated as well. There are plenty of other sources for this outbreak, domestic and foreign, that mean it isn't "far more likely" that illegals are the source.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                I've just been amazed by the numbers of people refusing to get their kids vaccinated - I remember all the craziness when they were discussing vaccines causing autism, before that bologna was debunked. And yet, we still have people refusing to protect their kids from easily prevented diseases like this.
                I don't know about illegals but I do know that there are a lot of parents refusing to vaccinate their children because a few years ago vaccinations were unscientifically tied to autism.

                Virginia is just as bad, the kids have to have the shots and there are free clinics but the parents can also submit a letter saying that they don't believe in the vaccinations. They don't have to give a reason other than that. There are a lot of kids that didn't get vaccinated and still attend public schools.

                Our son spent his first three years attending a Catholic School because they required the vaccinations to attend. No excuses were accepted, no vaccination, no school.
                "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Nichols View Post
                  I don't know about illegals but I do know that there are a lot of parents refusing to vaccinate their children because a few years ago vaccinations were unscientifically tied to autism.

                  Virginia is just as bad, the kids have to have the shots and there are free clinics but the parents can also submit a letter saying that they don't believe in the vaccinations. They don't have to give a reason other than that. There are a lot of kids that didn't get vaccinated and still attend public schools.

                  Our son spent his first three years attending a Catholic School because they required the vaccinations to attend. No excuses were accepted, no vaccination, no school.
                  Indeed, the "vaccines cause autism" crowd are just horrible parents - that, or just gullible fools. It also shows the difficulty in getting people to accept scientific fact when even something that is fully disproven and discredited still has so many supporters.

                  That people would put their own children at risk on the basis of discredited lies... It just blows my mind.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                    Indeed, the "vaccines cause autism" crowd are just horrible parents - that, or just gullible fools. It also shows the difficulty in getting people to accept scientific fact when even something that is fully disproven and discredited still has so many supporters.

                    That people would put their own children at risk on the basis of discredited lies... It just blows my mind.
                    Picture have a kid with a suppressed immune system hanging out with the unvaccinated kids. Our son was on chemo for three years and as much as we tried to avoid unvaccinated people....we would still run into them. There was one couple that tried to convince us that he got leukemia because of the vaccinations..
                    "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                      That the problem is that we have people who are not vaccinated in this country, not Mexico.

                      Immunization, measles (% of children ages 12-23 months)

                      Mexico has comparable rates to the United States (sometimes even higher) when it comes to immunization rates for children. So the claim that this obviously must be because of illegals coming across the border and thus the article is just part of some PC conspiracy for not addressing this goes against the facts and has no supporting evidence.

                      Not only is Disneyland a major international travel destination, but there are travelers from many other locations - perfectly legal tourists - who haven't been vaccinated as well. There are plenty of other sources for this outbreak, domestic and foreign, that mean it isn't "far more likely" that illegals are the source.
                      All illegals don't come from Mexico. About a third of those in California are from somewhere else, mostly Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, and elsewhere in Central America. There are also quite a few Asians.

                      Illegals tend to be the lower classes of whatever society they are from. They are the least likely to receive vaccines and also the least likely to understand their importance.

                      As a related example Tuberculosis is on the rise in the US solely because of illegal immigration.

                      http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/8/7/01-0482_article

                      Since they haven't identified the original source, this one is as likely, and by the numbers, far more likely than a family of US citizens where the parent(s) are against getting their children vaccinated.

                      By the by, I'm not arguing that parents who ignore getting their children vaccinated aren't idiots. They are. I just see this outbreak as more likely originating from illegal immigrants either recently arrived, or ones that are just run of the mill dumb Third World impoverished peasants to put it bluntly.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                        Wow. That is quite the leap you're making. I'm interested to see what evidence you've got to support this accusation.
                        Come on DoD, you knew he was going to blame 'progressives', 'illegals', Obama or some combination. Absolutely unbackable. 'Illegals are infecting us all with disease' is very 'in' right now in certain circles. No need for proof.

                        Sadly this idiocy (anti-vaccination) crosses all manner of demographics. It goes from the ignorant to the highly educated and from non-believing 'progressives' to God fearin' Republicans.

                        http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywil...ng-megachurch/

                        Personally I don't think the state should have the right to coerce people to vaccinate children. People should be allowed to make this choice on behalf of their kids if they so choose. There is a tiny risk of an adverse reaction(if not autism). The state does, however, have a duty to protect the public good. This may be a private decision, but it has a public consequence.

                        Parents who do not vaccinate their kids should be legally required to disclose this to schools, day care centres, hospitals, doctors & other parents of kids their kid comes into contact with, at a minimum. They also need to inform their own children of their vaccination status. Unvaccinated children should not be allowed access to public schools. Private schools can do as they please. Parents should be civilly & criminally liable for any damages suffered by others as a result of their decision.

                        If people think their kids are too precious to risk they need to take responsibility for the damage their decision does to the equally precious children of others.
                        Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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                        • #13
                          Hell I had measles..... lasted about 3 days and over it. not like its life threatening on a scale like cancer...........unles i'm mistaken its not as deadly as the Flu.....

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jeffdoorgunnr View Post
                            Hell I had measles..... lasted about 3 days and over it. not like its life threatening on a scale like cancer...........unles i'm mistaken its not as deadly as the Flu.....
                            No, but its deadly enough, especially to babies. It is also a bit more infectious than cancer. The severity of cases varies. Yours may not have been severe. Others are not so lucky. I'm also not sure if some people have lasting health impacts from severe cases contracted when very young. Cancer isn't easy to catch from others. The thing is that it is a form of death & injury that can be prevented at virtually no risk. Also remember that vaccination covers a range of childhood diseases which can all be fatal or have lasting effects.

                            If we can reduce the risk of a range of diseases to close to nothing at little or no cost it not only saves lives directly, it saves resources that would have been consumed by preventable illness & allows them to be directed to other stuff...like cancer.
                            Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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                            • #15
                              Guys "childhood diseases" are no big deal if you have inherited immunity to the strain being passed around. Peoples who have no such immunity die horribly and after a few days. The Hawaiians and Native Americans are two such groups. 100 years ago if the childhood diseases did not reduce the number of children dysentery did!

                              Also young children and babies can handle these diseases easier than older children and adults. Does Mumps ring a bell guys?

                              When I was a child the law said I had to go to school. Another law said if I wanted to be in school I had to have my shots! If you moved into Louisiana with no shot records the authorities told you to go to the local health unit for free shots. Before the Childhood Protection people came for the kids. There were no Food Stamps back then.

                              Enforcement is not what it used to be in Louisiana. When I taught at a predominately minority High School, I heard we still had students that did not have their shot record updated half way through the school year. My thoughts were most of these kids were on Food Stamps. Instead of Child Services putting the "children" in foster care and taking them to get their shots, some people were afraid the food stamps would be cut off when the child was expelled for not getting their shots.

                              Many of the shots we got back then were later found out to only last a while or cause side effects later in life. Still the fact that you were around in later life should have counted for something.

                              I worked at a Casino with a Vietnamese older guy that worked the 3 to 11 Graveyard Shift. He was a TB Carrier! I did not want him sitting near me!

                              Pruitt
                              Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

                              Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

                              by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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