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  • Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
    The EU has their Article 13 and 11 and China has their social credit system.
    Well that settles it then, thank God for the USA

    High Admiral Snowy, Commander In Chief of the Naval Forces of The Phoenix Confederation.

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    • Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

      Well that settles it then, thank God for the USA
      Thank God for Trump and the electoral college. I have no delusions that the U.S. is not headed for the same kind of dystopian bureaucratic state as the rest of the world. It's just that the pesky constitution gets in the way of progress.
      We hunt the hunters

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      • Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
        Thank God for Trump and the electoral college.
        How ever did we manage without them.

        It's probaby late there, shouldn't you be asleep
        High Admiral Snowy, Commander In Chief of the Naval Forces of The Phoenix Confederation.

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        • Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

          Dear God man - are you serious ?

          I'm out of here - have fun
          So it looks as if wolfhnd was talking to you? TBH, I wasn't totally sure about that.
          Last edited by panther3485; 11 Apr 19, 04:44.
          "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

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          • Not at all - I was here to look at TAGs post, which quoted me, that one made sense.

            Just happened to catch a glimpse of the one above.

            Should probably should have known better
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            • Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
              If you can't see how the U.S. is becoming the last bastion of resistance to the dystopian bureaucratic state you are not paying attention.

              The real question concerns competency at a level beyond a reductionist perspective. If it were possible to reduce complex chaotic systems either climatic or political to controlled environments then it would be disingenuous to have the debate.

              A biblical quote seems appropriate :-) " Pride Goeth before a fall"
              Which nation prides itself on being #1 and a World leader? Hint! It isn't Malta. Resistance, dystopian bureaucratic state??? We are a world leader.
              "Ask not what your country can do for you"

              Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

              you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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              • Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                Well someone at one point moved it into Current Events NA, or maybe it was born there idk.

                But it is an indication

                That would appear to be Daemon of Decay's doing, back about 08Dec2014;
                ...
                Since this is a recurring topic for debate and discussion, this is going to be a permanent thread dedicated to all things involving politics and the environment. Please use this to host all of your debates, articles, and discussions of environmental topics here. Anything from the EPA to whether your local council is considering spending money planting trees, let's keep it here in one convenient thread.

                Have fun!
                ....
                https://forums.armchairgeneral.com/f...warming-thread

                Interestingly, you made post #4 a few days later ...

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                • Originally posted by panther3485 View Post
                  Of course climate change exists. It's never been in question.
                  It has existed for millions of years, so no reason to assume it will stop now.

                  That said, there are differing beliefs regarding the effects of human activity.
                  For (say) the last 50 years or so, to what degree has it influenced the course of climate change?

                  Some believe the human influence on climate change has become, and continues to be, enormous; while other believe it has been and still is negligible.
                  Has that not been the question of the thread?

                  I've seen a lot of evidence (of varying quality) bandied about but it would seem to me that accurately measuring/evaluating the degree of human influence is - at the very least - difficult.

                  Many of the folks in this debate seem to lean strongly one way or the other. I think I'm rather closer to the "middle ground"; that is, I think human activity is having some effect (reason seems to tell me there must be some); but I don't think we are anywhere near being on the brink of catastrophe, as some are suggesting.
                  However, I think there ARE things we can do to be more environmentally responsible without dramatically changing the way we like to live.
                  One major issue seems to revolve around the quantifying of human effect and its quality, is it bad, good, or in-between.
                  The other factor is how some factions are using the issue to attempt political agendas that could have significant social and economic impacts.

                  We, the world as well as the USA, had some serious environmental damage accumulating which by the late 1960s to 1970s lead to the creation of the EPA here in the USA. Here in USA, within a couple of decades, significant progress had been made in clean-ups and reductions of emissions and output of pollutants, real ones that is.

                  Since any bureaucracy once created and it's primary assignment completed is reluctant to reduce and cease to exist, it seems our EPA and connected organizations felt a need to find new "dangers" in need of their fixing, and funding; hence the issue of human caused carbon-dioxide output being a prime driver of climate change in form of global warming. The distortions and bad science repeated often enough seems to have gained traction and belief by some of the citizenry.

                  BTW, many parts/nations of the world have made little to no progress in the past half century in reducing pollution output or fixing the damage done by such inside their borders. Unfortunately, nature in form of air and water currents, etc. doesn't recognize boundary lines drawn on a map.

                  As each of us is downstream and downwind of everyone else, we also tend to be upstream and upwind of everyone else as well.

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                  • Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                    This thread seems to be more about how the question, and the answer, impacts US politics.

                    Otherwise I suspect most would agree with your assessment above, and it would not have gone on for 66 pages
                    We had something of a similar discussion about a month ago. From post #936 on page 63, responding to you;

                    You'd have to ask Daemon of Decay, whom did the OP of this thread.
                    Meanwhile, there are some on this topic in the Science sub-forum, but haven't seen much activity of late. In order of most recent posts (going back only for seven pages worth);
                    Renewables overtaking fossil fuels in new power generation
                    Greenland retained 99.7% of its ice mass in 20th Century!!!
                    Famous Physicists Speak About Climate Change
                    Are Electric Cars Worse For The Environment? Myth Busted.
                    Global Warming a Hoax?
                    Solar (Stormy) Weather
                    The Effects of Global Cooling
                    "Legal Petition Urges EPA to... Regulate CO2 as Toxic Substance"
                    More bad news for the Gorebots: Greenland ice sheet not collapsing.
                    Arctic scientific expedition delayed by worst summer sea ice "in 20 years."
                    Efforts to mitigate climate change could cause 8-fold increase in hunger.
                    This just in: Ice Age postponed due to global warming!
                    More bad news for the Gorebots: "Rise in CO2 has 'greened Planet Earth'"
                    Oops! "Increased CO2 enhances plankton growth," diametrically opposed to expectations
                    Everything Americans know about science in seven graphs
                    Astrobiology ~ Exobiology; Life Beyond Earth ...
                    Last edited by G David Bock; 11 Apr 19, 15:09.

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                    • Unique oil-eating bacteria found in world's deepest ocean trench

                      ...
                      Scientists from the University of East Anglia have discovered a unique oil eating bacteria in the deepest part of the Earth's oceans—the Mariana Trench.
                      ...
                      Dr. Jonathan Todd, from UEA's School of Biological Sciences, said: "Our research team went down to collect samples of the microbial population at the deepest part of the Mariana Trench—some 11,000 metres down. We studied the samples that were brought back and identified a new group of hydrocarbon degrading bacteria.

                      "Hydrocarbons are organic compounds that are made of only hydrogen and carbon atoms, and they are found in many places, including crude oil and natural gas.

                      "So these types of microorganisms essentially eat compounds similar to those in oil and then use it for fuel. Similar microorganisms play a role in degrading oil spills in natural disasters such as BP's 2010 oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico."

                      "We also found that this bacteria is really abundant at the bottom of the Mariana Trench."

                      In fact, the team found that the proportion of hydrocarbon degrading bacteria in the Trench is the highest on Earth.

                      The scientists isolated some of these microbes and demonstrated that they consume hydrocarbons in the laboratory under environmental conditions that simulate those in the Mariana Trench.
                      ...
                      https://phys.org/news/2019-04-unique...d-deepest.html

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                      • Climate Fraud Exposed: CO2 doesn’t rise up, trap and retain heat

                        ...
                        https://principia-scientific.org/cli...p-retain-heat/

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                        • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                          Interestingly, you made post #4 a few days later ...
                          So I did, how time flies..tnx.

                          As usual, I did a quick and correct assessment, and made an accurate prediction

                          Seems DOD promptly realized it would turn into a US politics fest too, and in post #27 he said this,

                          Thread merged with the existing environmentalism and politics thread.

                          ACG Staff
                          I suspect that is when the thread moved to the NA section.

                          https://forums.armchairgeneral.com/f...32#post3908932

                          I kind of miss Doc though - I suspect he'll be back when Trump goes...
                          Last edited by Snowygerry; 15 Apr 19, 03:45.
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                          • Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                            So I did, how time flies..tnx.

                            As usual, I did a quick and correct assessment, and made an accurate prediction

                            Seems DOD promptly realized it would turn into a US politics fest too, and in post #27 he said this,



                            I suspect that is when the thread moved to the NA section.

                            https://forums.armchairgeneral.com/f...32#post3908932

                            I kind of miss Doc though - I suspect he'll be back when Trump goes...
                            Hmmm .... What does Trump as POTUS have to do with Doc's absence, in your opinion ?
                            I was under impression a combination of work(employment) load and perhaps fatigue/frustrations with this forum have much to do with his infrequent appearances.

                            Given the lackluster list of Democratic contenders and Trumps popularity running about 53%, he looks viable for 2020 which means be may not "go" until about 2025.

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                            • Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                              So I did, how time flies..tnx.

                              As usual, I did a quick and correct assessment, and made an accurate prediction

                              Seems DOD promptly realized it would turn into a US politics fest too, and in post #27 he said this,



                              I suspect that is when the thread moved to the NA section.

                              https://forums.armchairgeneral.com/f...32#post3908932

                              I kind of miss Doc though - I suspect he'll be back when Trump goes...
                              Speaking of going way back, post #11 by Mountain Man still remains a disturbing situation;
                              ...
                              Climate Super Fund Wants Immunity

                              Placed here because America is the primary source of funding at the moment:


                              The Green Climate Fund, (GCF) a United Nations-affiliated piggy-bank intended to finance climate change projects around the world, is determined to win sweeping U.N.-style immunities from prosecutions for its global operations--even though the U.S., its biggest contributor, opposes the idea, and the U.N. itself says its own diplomatic immunities can'’t cover the outfit.


                              http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...m-prosecution/

                              First question right off the bat: What crimes do they expect to commitf that require such sweeping immunity?

                              https://forums.armchairgeneral.com/f...47#post3908747

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                              • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                                Speaking of going way back, post #11 by Mountain Man still remains a disturbing situation;
                                ...
                                Climate Super Fund Wants Immunity

                                Placed here because America is the primary source of funding at the moment:


                                The Green Climate Fund, (GCF) a United Nations-affiliated piggy-bank intended to finance climate change projects around the world, is determined to win sweeping U.N.-style immunities from prosecutions for its global operations--even though the U.S., its biggest contributor, opposes the idea, and the U.N. itself says its own diplomatic immunities can'’t cover the outfit.


                                http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...m-prosecution/

                                First question right off the bat: What crimes do they expect to commitf that require such sweeping immunity?

                                https://forums.armchairgeneral.com/f...47#post3908747
                                Theft, bribery, embezzlement, payola... the usual stuff crooked and corrupt politicians do.

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