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  • Originally posted by Nick the Noodle View Post

    I admire the fact that you have posted here, but facts are facts. Not even Kellyanne Conway's husband appears to support her 'Alternative Facts'.

    DT's lies appear to backfired in the long term. AGW is now proven, and those stating otherwise are either deluded or perhaps very stupid. This does not mean DT won't be reelected, he is a brilliant politician, but the Republicans will probably regret him as much as the Dems regret Jimmy C.
    Carter failed to get reelected because he was a failure as a President. The economy tanked under Carter. That was the first US "gas crisis." Then inflation hit hard. Interest rates shot up into double digits. Next, you had the Iran hostage situation, that was a cascade political disaster for Carter. This was followed by his infamous "Malaise" speech where he basically told the nation things pretty much sucked and he couldn't fix them.

    As people in France are proving, you can only go so far in fixing a problem most don't see as a major problem. AGW is way down the list of issues most Americans are concerned about. Only about a third of Americans consider it a serious issue and rate doing something about it high on their list. Most say it's happening but not that big an issue, and that things like the economy are far more important.
    I'd say for most US politicians moving in a major way to eliminate CO2, like massive increases in solar and energy costs, reducing availability of some food stuffs, or heavy spending on climate related issues is a sure way to get tossed out of office.

    For example, two days ago Tom Steyer a billionaire Progressive who bankrolled a proposition on Arizona's ballot in November to massively increase use of solar and wind while phasing out fossil fuels, wrote this piece in the paper:

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/opin...ar/2129452002/

    Here's my response that got published in today's Arizona Republic:

    The war is over. You lost Tom Steyer.

    Tom Steyer in his op ed on Saturday is dead, flat, wrong about why Prop 127 failed. It wasn't because of a "...utility company more hostile to clean energy..." (APS) but rather to sensible Arizonans like me who saw his proposition for what it was. Seven out of ten Arizonan's who voted, voted against Tom Steyer and Prop 127. We knew it was bad locking Arizona's energy future into a narrow set of politically correct Progressive Leftist values. We recognized that Mr. Steyer's self-serving proposition would cost each of us and do little to reduce pollution while it jeopardized our energy future and would make Mr. Steyer millions.

    APS wasted their money fighting something Arizonan's recognized as self-serving and economically terrible. Tom Steyer got what he deserved from Arizona: A rejection of his Koch Brothers-like butting into our state's business. I say a pox on Tom Steyer, may he learn we are not a state that wants California's Progressive Leftist failures.
    Last edited by T. A. Gardner; 03 Dec 18, 19:30.

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    • Originally posted by Nick the Noodle View Post

      I admire the fact that you have posted here, but facts are facts. Not even Kellyanne Conway's husband appears to support her 'Alternative Facts'.

      DT's lies appear to backfired in the long term. AGW is now proven, and those stating otherwise are either deluded or perhaps very stupid. This does not mean DT won't be reelected, he is a brilliant politician, but the Republicans will probably regret him as much as the Dems regret Jimmy C.
      Yes Nick, of course.
      However, I was merely trying to point out that something can be believed to be fact and go unchallenged for a very long time, before it is eventually shown not to be so.
      In the meantime, however, folks generally will insist that it IS a fact.

      Please note that I am not, repeat NOT referring to global warming here, or any other single thing.
      I was speaking in general terms only.

      I'm sure you can guess ... the inevitable question that should follow this?
      (I know you are smart enough.)

      However, should you wish me to outline my views on AGW specifically, I would be most happy to do so.

      "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

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      • Then inflation hit hard
        After Ford's great programs to get it under control. WIN buttons. "Whip Inflation Now". Darn if that didn't work out well.
        "Ask not what your country can do for you"

        Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

        you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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        • All the Global Warming panic is for one goal and one goal only, to subject the world's population to the UN control of Agenda 21.

          Under Agenda 21, all property will be seized with the population reduced to some 500 million or less worldwide and moved into sustainable communes. Only those considered of value to the collective will be allowed to live. How will that population reduction be accomplished? Through war, famine, and plagues.
          https://www.disclose.tv/agenda-21-th...by-2030-313560
          http://wake-up.acordem.com/blog/21521
          The original concept study.
          http://www.un.org/popin/icpd/conference/bkg/wppa.html
          “Breaking News,”

          “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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          • Actually, the subject is climate change.

            And how will the Un enforce anything without the major powers of the world concurring? The UN has no army, no lawmaking ability, and no police force, and is not a government in any sense.

            So, please explain your posting.

            UN Agenda 21 is a voluntary action plan that offers suggestions for sustainable ways local, state and national governments can combat poverty and pollution and conserve natural resources in the 21st century.
            178 governments—including the U.S. led by then-President George H.W. Bush—voted to adopt the program which is, again, not legally binding in any way, at the 1992 U.N. Conference on Environment and Development in Rio de Janeiro.
            Several anti-Semitic, neo-Nazi groups have also jumped on the anti-Agenda 21 bandwagon, seizing the opportunity to blame the controversial document on none other than the Jews.
            The conspiracy theories surrounding this voluntary action plan are usually from right-wing organizations who don'’t actually know what they are talking about.

            All you're stating and promoting is right wing propaganda and conspiracy theories. The right wing continues to do this which is not only fear-mongering, but inaccurate BS.
            We are not now that strength which in old days
            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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            • The UN will do so when the Progressives have surrendered the country to them. And, they do have military capability.
              The UN Charter stipulates that to assist in maintaining peace and security around the world, all member states of the UN should make available to the Security Council necessary armed forces and facilities. Since 1948, close to 130 nations have contributed military and civilian police personnel to peace operations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...s_peacekeeping

              Agenda 21 IS about the control of climate change and how to control the humans that are causing it. https://www.mtdemocrat.com/news/agen...y-climategate/
              “Breaking News,”

              “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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              • Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
                The UN will do so when the Progressives have surrendered the country to them. And, they do have military capability.
                The UN Charter stipulates that to assist in maintaining peace and security around the world, all member states of the UN should make available to the Security Council necessary armed forces and facilities. Since 1948, close to 130 nations have contributed military and civilian police personnel to peace operations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...s_peacekeeping

                Agenda 21 IS about the control of climate change and how to control the humans that are causing it. https://www.mtdemocrat.com/news/agen...y-climategate/
                No, it isn't. And the UN only has authority when it is grated to it by the member nations.

                Again, the UN is not a government, has no police force and no military arm.

                All you're spouting if far right conspiracy theories that conform to your own prejudices, biases, and ignorance.

                In the peace keeping missions, the troops employed under the auspices of the UN have to be contributed by member nations. If the member nation says 'no' there are no troops.

                Good Lord, get a grip.
                We are not now that strength which in old days
                Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                • Originally posted by Massena View Post

                  No, it isn't. And the UN only has authority when it is grated to it by the member nations.

                  Again, the UN is not a government, has no police force and no military arm.

                  All you're spouting if far right conspiracy theories that conform to your own prejudices, biases, and ignorance.

                  In the peace keeping missions, the troops employed under the auspices of the UN have to be contributed by member nations. If the member nation says 'no' there are no troops.

                  Good Lord, get a grip.
                  So, there is no such thing as a peacekeeping force? https://peacekeeping.un.org/en/military A World Court? https://outreach.un.org/mun/content/...-court-justice Binding resolutions? https://www.un.org/disarmament/tpnw/ Human Rights panels? http://ap.ohchr.org/documents/dpage_.../26/L.22/Rev.1 Agenda 21? https://sustainabledevelopment.un.or...s/Agenda21.pdf Agenda 2030? https://www.un.org/sustainabledevelo...opment-agenda/

                  Try reading the links, especially the Official PDF of Agenda 21, then post those that support your side of the argument before resorting to the typical Liberal response..
                  “Breaking News,”

                  “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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                  • Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post

                    So, there is no such thing as a peacekeeping force? https://peacekeeping.un.org/en/military A World Court? https://outreach.un.org/mun/content/...-court-justice Binding resolutions? https://www.un.org/disarmament/tpnw/ Human Rights panels? http://ap.ohchr.org/documents/dpage_.../26/L.22/Rev.1 Agenda 21? https://sustainabledevelopment.un.or...s/Agenda21.pdf Agenda 2030? https://www.un.org/sustainabledevelo...opment-agenda/

                    Try reading the links, especially the Official PDF of Agenda 21, then post those that support your side of the argument before resorting to the typical Liberal response..
                    I didn't say that and you are undoubtedly deliberately building a weak strawman argument.

                    Your right wing rhetoric and conspiracy theories are wrong and you haven't demonstrated anything near to being relevant to your point.
                    We are not now that strength which in old days
                    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                    • Originally posted by Massena View Post

                      I didn't say that and you are undoubtedly deliberately building a weak strawman argument.

                      Your right wing rhetoric and conspiracy theories are wrong and you haven't demonstrated anything near to being relevant to your point.
                      Waiting for your links of proof that I am wrong that the UN is not pushing the Global Warming issue.
                      “Breaking News,”

                      “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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                      • Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post

                        Waiting for your links of proof that I am wrong that the UN is not pushing the Global Warming issue.
                        No matter what I write or post, you won't accept it as it won't be from your right-wing websites.

                        And so what if the UN is pushing the 'global warming' issue. The issue, according to the US government report (and it's on climate change, not global warming which are somewhat different), is a real one and right wing fanatics who are paranoid about the UN, et al.

                        You are wrong to my mind, but what is important is that if I'm wrong on the subject, nothing happens. If you and your buddies are wrong, and nothing is done, we are going to have myriad problems.
                        We are not now that strength which in old days
                        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                        • First and REAL Bottom-Line is that NO-ONE has defined what the goal is regards a "Corrected Climate" is. ....

                          At what level of temperature range,averaged over the 14 or so of Climate zones, are we wanting to see achieved ??? !!!

                          What is the agreed upon, desired "average' climate/temperature range/gauge (of those 14 Climate Zones ...) ????

                          Until "we" know what it is we are trying to "fix towards" ...
                          ... how can "we" know how to "fix" what might not be broken ... ???

                          This is the basic "beef" I and many others have here ....
                          ... First is if there is really something "broken" that needs to be "fixed" ...
                          ... Second; what is the "fixed" condition/status we should seek ????

                          In other Words; what are "we" "fixing" "towards"; that needs to be fixed ...
                          ... what or how do we know what that "fixed" is ... ???

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                          • Originally posted by Massena View Post

                            No matter what I write or post, you won't accept it as it won't be from your right-wing websites.

                            And so what if the UN is pushing the 'global warming' issue. The issue, according to the US government report (and it's on climate change, not global warming which are somewhat different), is a real one and right wing fanatics who are paranoid about the UN, et al.

                            You are wrong to my mind, but what is important is that if I'm wrong on the subject, nothing happens. If you and your buddies are wrong, and nothing is done, we are going to have myriad problems.
                            So, the last dozen links are from Right Wing Websites? Perhaps, you would care to explain when un.org became a Right Wing website and why only the Left Wing websites are to be believed as the Gospel Truth.

                            The US has made huge progress to increase efficiency and reduce pollution over the years in spite of the efforts of the Left to block zero CO2 generating nuclear power and developing Natural Gas deposits. The same cannot be said for China, Mexico, and India where manufacturing jobs were outsourced during the era of the Clintons, Bush 43, and especially, Obama.

                            As far as the myriad of problems go, it WILL be the lost of individual freedom if not the upcoming environmental disaster of a new ice age brought on prematurely by the tin hat proposals to cool the earth and remove CO2 from the atmosphere if such proposals are enacted.

                            Banned again? Guess I'll have to wait for your response. I'll give you credit for at least debating the subject without deteriorating into the behavior that gets you a time out.
                            “Breaking News,”

                            “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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                            • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                              First and REAL Bottom-Line is that NO-ONE has defined what the goal is regards a "Corrected Climate" is. ....

                              At what level of temperature range,averaged over the 14 or so of Climate zones, are we wanting to see achieved ??? !!!

                              What is the agreed upon, desired "average' climate/temperature range/gauge (of those 14 Climate Zones ...) ????

                              Until "we" know what it is we are trying to "fix towards" ...
                              ... how can "we" know how to "fix" what might not be broken ... ???

                              This is the basic "beef" I and many others have here ....
                              ... First is if there is really something "broken" that needs to be "fixed" ...
                              ... Second; what is the "fixed" condition/status we should seek ????

                              In other Words; what are "we" "fixing" "towards"; that needs to be fixed ...
                              ... what or how do we know what that "fixed" is ... ???

                              You do not see that things are tumbling out of control ? how many more climate extreme events do you need ?

                              https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/c...ional-overview

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                              • Originally posted by bill shack View Post

                                You do not see that things are tumbling out of control ? how many more climate extreme events do you need ?

                                https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/c...ional-overview
                                I only see how the Fake News Media and other sites with an Agenda are the ones tumbling out of control with their constants cries of Wolf.

                                I will only believe that something is wrong when Michigan summers are in the 100*+F, like it was in 1988, for year after year with winters in the 50*F for weeks on end as happened in 1964. November has been near record cold along the East Coast and here for weeks. December is also starting out the same.
                                “Breaking News,”

                                “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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