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  • #61
    53 F here today. Got to love the summer coming
    "Ask not what your country can do for you"

    Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

    you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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    • #62
      Snow falls in Golan, Jerusalem, and even in Negev desert

      http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Isr...to-snow-391658
      TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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      • #63
        Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
        Drudge Report.
        BLAST: Coldest Temps Since Late-1800s in East...
        'Life-threatening' Freeze Hits South...
        Record Lows Challenged in FL...
        RIDICULOUS: DC FEELS LIKE -20º
        CHICAGO SMASHES RECORD...
        LIVE: CHILL MAP...

        And, this morning from the kitchen indoor outdoor at 6AM. This is not wind chill either.

        All schools are closed, cars won't start, frozen water pipes, furnace running continuously, double pane insulated windows with ice forming at the base of the glass, a water main has ruptured as pavement buckles under the pressure of frozen ground. You climate freaks can go yourself!
        It's your hoodrats Ron...you seem to like to blame then for all the other problems there.
        "Ask not what your country can do for you"

        Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

        you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by JSMoss View Post
          Not to argue one way or another, but most if not all posters here do not seem to realize that "global warming" refers to the amount of heat absorbed by the ocean (The major planetary heat sink.) Not the weather, not the air temperature, not the temperature of the surface of the ocean, not the ice mass. While all of these things will sooner or later be impacted by increased oceanic heat absorption, they are not themselves indicators one way or another of global warming. Please, if we are going to debate a topic lets at least debate it and not debate made up "indicators"
          Global warming refers to excess greenhouse warming of the Earth's lower atmosphere due to anthropogenic carbon emissions.

          Ocean heat content is one of many indicators of global climate changes. Gorebots particularly like to rely on it because it is denominated in gazillions of Joules. Since the lower atmosphere hasn't warmed in 14 to 18 years, they point to ocean heat content...



          Gazillions of joules!
          A five degree rise for just the first inch of ocean, for a static area 900 miles in diameter (the size of hurricane Sandy) requires 95-million terajoules of energy. If we assume it gets used the most efficiently it can be, a ton of coal gets you about 35 gigajoules. That means we'd need a cube of coal .9 of a mile/side to generate the energy needed to heat just that first inch of water five degrees. All that energy is a fraction of the heat being trapped, just a fraction. We're going to see a lot more storms get charged up this way.


          The best way to alarm the scientifically illiterate is to convert 0.8°C into eleventy gazillion joules.

          Ocean Heat Content for the upper 700 meters of the oceans increased by about 16 gazillion (10^22) Joules over the last 40 years or so! 16 gazillion is a huge number! Unfortunately for Warmists, 16 gazillion is a very tiny number relative to the volume of the top 700 meters of the oceans and the heat content that normally resides in the oceans...



          16 gazillion Joules is enough heat to increase the average temperature of the upper 700 meters of ocean by a whopping 0.168 degrees Centigrade.

          The average temperature of the upper 700 meters of ocean is somewhere in the ballpark of 10 degrees Centigrade...



          How much heat content is required to raise the temperature of the upper 700 meters of ocean from 0 to 10 degrees Centigrade?

          A bit less than 950 gazillion Joules.

          16 gazillion is less than 2% of 950 gazillion.

          More fun with gazillions of Joules

          This is a graph from a Skeptical Science post...



          Frightening, right?

          In addition to lacking any context, the title of the graph is amazingly and ignorantly wrong. There's a lot more to the Earth than water, ice and air... There's that whole solid(ish) thing in the middle.

          The heat flow at the surface (the coolest part of the solid Earth) of the Earth is ~47 Terawatts (TW). A Joule is 1 Watt*second of power. 47 TW is 47,000,000,000,000 joules per second (47*10^12 J/s). Over the 40-yr period (1969-2008) the Earth's heat flow transferred 6 gazillion (10^12) Joules of heat from the interior to the surface. That 6 gazillion is a very tiny fraction of the total heat content of the Earth (~12,600,000,000 gazillion Joules). So the SkepSci graph doesn't even come close to capturing the "change in the Earth's total heat content."

          Here’s a little more context… Unsurprisingly, ocean heat content and sea surface temperature are highly correlated…




          So, we can very easily estimate OHC from SST to see what the OHC was
          doing before we started measuring it…





          Wow!!! The OHC had to have increased by 13 gazillion Joules from 1910-1941. How did that happen? CO2 was mired in the “safe” range of 310-320 ppmv (if the ice cores are accurate).
          Last edited by The Doctor; 20 Feb 15, 16:48.
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          • #65
            Originally posted by The Doctor View Post

            Wow!!! The OHC had to have increased by 13 gazillion Joules from 1910-1941. How did that happen? CO2 was mired in the “safe” range of 310-320 ppmv (if the ice cores are accurate).
            It can't possibly be natural heating by volcanic activity underwater, can it? http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/facts/...ean-ridge.html


            Latest Drudge Headlines;
            4 Cities Set All-Time Record Lows...
            DC hasn't seen this since 1885 -- or ever?!
            5-story 'ice volcano' forms at NY geyser...
            Great Lakes most ice since recorded time...
            AND ANOTHER BLAST NEXT WEEK...
            “Breaking News,”

            “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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            • #66
              Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
              It can't possibly be natural heating by volcanic activity underwater, can it? http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/facts/...ean-ridge.html


              [...]
              Probably not. The fluctuations are too cyclical to be related to volcanic activity.
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              • #67
                The de-icer on my friends boat is having a very hard time keeping up with the ice in Mystic Harbor, NJ. The Raritan Bay is freezing over, the Raritan River is frozen at the Driscoll Bridge on the GSP.

                The plus side is that we are selling lots of Diesel 9-11, and diesel treatment and tons of fuel filters.
                ALL LIVES SPLATTER!

                BLACK JEEPS MATTER!

                BLACK MOTORCYCLES MATTER!

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                • #68
                  Still a myth.
                  “I do not wish to have the slave emancipated because I love him, but because I hate his master."
                  --Salmon P. Chase

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                  • #69
                    http://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/top...ear/ar-BBhOf6m
                    “Breaking News,”

                    “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Savez View Post
                      Still a myth.
                      What is? Heavy snow in the winter? Or a politically-driven and pseudo-scientific "progressive" apparatus of pure codswallop designed solely to shake down the US public for as much money as possible in as short of time as possible?
                      The First Amendment applies to SMS, Emails, Blogs, online news, the Fourth applies to your cell phone, computer, and your car, but the Second only applies to muskets?

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
                        What is? Heavy snow in the winter? Or a politically-driven and pseudo-scientific "progressive" apparatus of pure codswallop designed solely to shake down the US public for as much money as possible in as short of time as possible?
                        I could go for some good old fashioned (1990's) Gorebal Warming right now...
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                          It's your hoodrats Ron...you seem to like to blame then for all the other problems there.
                          They are all hibernating now. Besides, how are they to blame for the horrible mess from the massive snow and ice storm last weekend in the eastern states?

                          More low temperature records smashed by over 10 degrees this morning. -17F officially. No schools for kids three school days in a row.

                          Ice targets TX, deep South...

                          Arctic air returns to New England...

                          Detroit poised to break record for coldest month -- ever...

                          Cleveland breaks 1873 record...

                          Rabbis, Reverends, Imams Unite For Prayer Against More Snow in Boston...

                          Ann Arbor breaks record low temperature set in 1900!

                          SNOW ON GROUND IN 48 STATES...
                          Last edited by SRV Ron; 23 Feb 15, 19:16.
                          “Breaking News,”

                          “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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                          • #73
                            Temperature at zero F. again this morning. However, Spring warmup must be coming soon as the Hoodrats are coming out of hibernation. Several shootings the past two days.

                            At least, we missed the big snow and ice dump they got South of here again.
                            “Breaking News,”

                            “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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                            • #74
                              Well the great thing about science is that doesn't really matter when it comes to opinion. My attitude with Climate Change deniers is this...

                              "The people never have the power, only the illusion of it. And here is the real secret: they don't want it. The responsibility is too great to bear. It's why they are so quick to fall in line as soon as someone else takes charge."
                              "

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by ace View Post
                                Well the great thing about science is that doesn't really matter when it comes to opinion. My attitude with Climate Change deniers is this...

                                Who denies that climate changes?
                                The Political Assault on Climate Skeptics
                                Members of Congress send inquisitorial letters to universities, energy companies, even think tanks.


                                By RICHARD S. LINDZEN
                                March 4, 2015 6:50 p.m. ET

                                Research in recent years has encouraged those of us who question the popular alarm over allegedly man-made global warming. Actually, the move from “global warming” to “climate change” indicated the silliness of this issue. The climate has been changing since the Earth was formed. This normal course is now taken to be evidence of doom.

                                Individuals and organizations highly vested in disaster scenarios have relentlessly attacked scientists and others who do not share their beliefs. The attacks have taken a threatening turn.

                                As to the science itself, it’s worth noting that all predictions of warming since the onset of the last warming episode of 1978-98—which is the only period that the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) attempts to attribute to carbon-dioxide emissions—have greatly exceeded what has been observed. These observations support a much reduced and essentially harmless climate response to increased atmospheric carbon dioxide.

                                In addition, there is experimental support for the increased importance of variations in solar radiation on climate and a renewed awareness of the importance of natural unforced climate variability that is largely absent in current climate models. There also is observational evidence from several independent studies that the so-called “water vapor feedback,” essential to amplifying the relatively weak impact of carbon dioxide alone on Earth temperatures, is canceled by cloud processes.

                                [...]

                                Mr. Lindzen is professor emeritus of atmospheric sciences at MIT and a distinguished senior fellow of the Cato Institute.
                                Last edited by The Doctor; 07 Mar 15, 12:18.
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