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  • Originally posted by bill shack View Post
    Juliana v. United States https://www.sightline.org/2018/11/01...h-oregon-case/

    wait until this hits the courts. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesco...wsuit-for-now/

    In 2015, the 21 young people, now aged 11 to 22, brought their lawsuit in the US District Court of Oregon, arguing that US energy policy over the decades has so drastically destabilized the climate that it violates the US Constitution. After three years, a new president, and countless legal filings, the plaintiffs are now in Eugene and ready to testify about how climate change already affects their lives and compromises their futures.

    i think that the young people will win. and here is why
    1) James Hansen, the former top NASA scientist who first brought climate change to the forefront 30 years ago, is also a plaintiff in the federal case.
    2) 98 % of all climate scientist see global warming as man made.
    3) the united states has done nothing it never ratified the kyoto accord.and back down from the paris agreement
    4) case are decided on merit and the deniers have little scientific merit to back up their claims that there is no such thing as global warming and that it is not man made. .


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol
    I hope they win. Thank you for sharing this.

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    • Hopefully the plaintiff's expert witnesses will have to produce the models and all their emails during discovery. If they don't the case will be thrown out on appeal.
      We hunt the hunters

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      • People who deny human caused climate change exercise as poor a grasp of logic and reason as those who believe in healing crystals, spiritual vortexes, and ghosts.........

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        • Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
          Hopefully the plaintiff's expert witnesses will have to produce the models and all their emails during discovery. If they don't the case will be thrown out on appeal.
          And what do you base this implied skullduggery on?

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          • I would even argue that the usual fixes called for for anthropogenic climate change would have a larger negative economic and social impact than those that are argued will happen, and those that have happened.

            For instance, given the known cost of solar and wind to date, these plaintiffs could reasonably expect the cost of their electricity to triple to quadruple above what they would be without government trying to make massive reductions in carbon by use of wind and solar, the usually called for methods.

            The impact of loss of mobility and freedom of movement associated with private automobiles would be another. Even if battery cars are factored in, these cost more than gasoline powered ones, and the infrastructure for their recharging would have huge negative economic impacts.

            So, an argument can be made that if the clients were to prevail and the government reduced CO2 dramatically, they would be more negatively impacted than if the government didn't. That makes their case a loser as they stand to have more economic damage from winning than losing.

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            • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
              I would even argue that the usual fixes called for for anthropogenic climate change would have a larger negative economic and social impact than those that are argued will happen, and those that have happened.

              For instance, given the known cost of solar and wind to date, these plaintiffs could reasonably expect the cost of their electricity to triple to quadruple above what they would be without government trying to make massive reductions in carbon by use of wind and solar, the usually called for methods.

              The impact of loss of mobility and freedom of movement associated with private automobiles would be another. Even if battery cars are factored in, these cost more than gasoline powered ones, and the infrastructure for their recharging would have huge negative economic impacts.

              So, an argument can be made that if the clients were to prevail and the government reduced CO2 dramatically, they would be more negatively impacted than if the government didn't. That makes their case a loser as they stand to have more economic damage from winning than losing.
              At this point who are you arguing with? The only people here not in agreement have already called you an idiot. Not much point in talking to them. That leaves only people you agree with? I'm not saying I don't enjoy reading your posts I'm just curious what people think they are doing.
              We hunt the hunters

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              • This thread needs more graphs.
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                • Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post

                  At this point who are you arguing with? The only people here not in agreement have already called you an idiot. Not much point in talking to them. That leaves only people you agree with? I'm not saying I don't enjoy reading your posts I'm just curious what people think they are doing.
                  It would be so interesting to be alive in the future to listen to the crying of those signing on to the Global Warming panic when they lose all of their freedom and get moved into sustainable communities. On that day, it will be far too late to question the wisdom of what they have signed up for as they are evaluated for their worth to the Collective in that next major project of reducing world population to under 100 million and performing the manual labor of restoring large areas of the country back into wilderness.
                  “Breaking News,”

                  “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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                  • Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post

                    It would be so interesting to be alive in the future to listen to the crying of those signing on to the Global Warming panic when they lose all of their freedom and get moved into sustainable communities. On that day, it will be far too late to question the wisdom of what they have signed up for as they are evaluated for their worth to the Collective in that next major project of reducing world population to under 100 million and performing the manual labor of restoring large areas of the country back into wilderness.
                    More right wing conspiracy theory garbage...
                    We are not now that strength which in old days
                    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                    • Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post

                      It would be so interesting to be alive in the future to listen to the crying of those signing on to the Global Warming panic when they lose all of their freedom and get moved into sustainable communities. On that day, it will be far too late to question the wisdom of what they have signed up for as they are evaluated for their worth to the Collective in that next major project of reducing world population to under 100 million and performing the manual labor of restoring large areas of the country back into wilderness.
                      Why wait?



                      "We caught a rattlesnake. Now we got something for dinner. You got it. You got it."

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                      • https://dilbert.com/strip/2017-05-14
                        TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                        • https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/11/...ssment-report/

                          TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                          • Originally posted by Duncan View Post
                            This thread needs more graphs.
                            https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/11/...ssment-report/
                            TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                            • ^ https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/11/...ssment-report/
                              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                              • Shorter, more accurate and informative than the recent guv'mint report ...

                                Having Fun With the Fourth National Climate Assessment Report

                                David Middleton / 2 hours ago November 28, 2018
                                Guest context by David Middleton

                                https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/11/...ssment-report/
                                TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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