Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

The Environmentalism and Global Warming Thread

Collapse
This is a sticky topic.
X
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

    It's called real world priorities, which over-ride internet play time. Don't worry, I and others will be here when time and energy allows. Meanwhile, in the false logic and loonie thinking of the gorebots of ACC/AGW hypothesis, this is obvious signs of "Gorebal Warming":

    UPDATE: Historic Snowstorm Blankets Chicago, Leaving Hundreds Of Thousands Without Power...

    Worst since 1975...

    Lake Michigan waves 18 feet high?

    6,000 flights canceled or delayed...

    Passengers Stranded On AMTRAK Train; 'Toilets Unflushable'...

    Again,... There is an important difference between short-term weather events and climate. Please read this to learn the difference. "NASA - What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?

    When we talk about climate change, we talk about changes in long-term averages of daily weather. Today, children always hear stories from their parents and grandparents about how snow was always piled up to their waists as they trudged off to school. Children today in most areas of the country haven't experienced those kinds of dreadful snow-packed winters, except for the Northeastern U.S. in January 2005. The change in recent winter snows indicate that the climate has changed since their parents were young.
    If summers seem hotter lately, then the recent climate may have changed. In various parts of the world, some people have even noticed that springtime comes earlier now than it did 30 years ago. An earlier springtime is indicative of a possible change in the climate.

    In addition to long-term climate change, there are shorter term climate variations. This so-called climate variability can be represented by periodic or intermittent changes related to El Niño, La Niña, volcanic eruptions, or other changes in the Earth system.

    What Weather Means
    Weather is basically the way the atmosphere is behaving, mainly with respect to its effects upon life and human activities. The difference between weather and climate is that weather consists of the short-term (minutes to months) changes in the atmosphere. Most people think of weather in terms of temperature, humidity, precipitation, cloudiness, brightness, visibility, wind, and atmospheric pressure, as in high and low pressure.

    In most places, weather can change from minute-to-minute, hour-to-hour, day-to-day, and season-to-season. Climate, however, is the average of weather over time and space. An easy way to remember the difference is that climate is what you expect, like a very hot summer, and weather is what you get, like a hot day with pop-up thunderstorms.

    Things That Make Up Our Weather
    There are really a lot of components to weather. Weather includes sunshine, rain, cloud cover, winds, hail, snow, sleet, freezing rain, flooding, blizzards, ice storms, thunderstorms, steady rains from a cold front or warm front, excessive heat, heat waves and more.

    In order to help people be prepared to face all of these, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's (NOAA) National Weather Service (NWS), the lead forecasting outlet for the nation's weather, has over 25 different types of warnings, statements or watches that they issue. Some of the reports NWS issues are: Flash Flood Watches and Warnings, Severe Thunderstorm Watches and Warnings, Blizzard Warnings, Snow Advisories, Winter Storm Watches and Warnings, Dense Fog Advisory, Fire Weather Watch, Tornado Watches and Warnings, Hurricane Watches and Warnings. They also provide Special Weather Statements and Short and Long Term Forecasts.

    NWS also issues a lot of notices concerning marine weather for boaters and others who dwell or are staying near shorelines. They include: Coastal Flood Watches and Warnings, Flood Watches and Warnings, High Wind Warnings, Wind Advisories, Gale Warnings, High Surf Advisories, Heavy Freezing Spray Warnings, Small Craft Advisories, Marine Weather Statements, Freezing Fog Advisories, Coastal Flood Watches, Flood Statements, Coastal Flood Statement.......

    What Climate Means
    In short, climate is the description of the long-term pattern of weather in a particular area.

    Some scientists define climate as the average weather for a particular region and time period, usually taken over 30-years. It's really an average pattern of weather for a particular region.

    When scientists talk about climate, they're looking at averages of precipitation, temperature, humidity, sunshine, wind velocity, phenomena such as fog, frost, and hail storms, and other measures of the weather that occur over a long period in a particular place.

    For example, after looking at rain gauge data, lake and reservoir levels, and satellite data, scientists can tell if during a summer, an area was drier than average. If it continues to be drier than normal over the course of many summers, than it would likely indicate a change in the climate."

    Comment


    • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

      At least I make a cognitive argument to support my position. All you do is parrot a report you haven't bothered to even read and say it's true. You might as well be a bible thumping Christian trying to sell me that religion.
      Do you sincerely believe your opinion has greater weight than the scientific findings of the two reports in question? Yes or No?

      Comment


      • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

        This thread started nearly four years ago and there are scores to hundreds of post from those of us whom "deny" that CO2 is a current and primary driver of "climate change". We can go thru and dig such out and repeat, or you deluded gorebots could do some homework.
        Please..... Why on earth would any reasonable person want to waste time looking over the ill-informed opinions of climate change deniers?

        Comment


        • More grist for the Denier Mill which grinds facts into opinions and opinions into fact.

          REVIEW OF THE DRAFT FOURTH NATIONAL CLIMATE ASSESSMENT

          CONTRIBUTORS:
          Board on Atmospheric Sciences and Climate
          Board on Environmental Change and Society
          Division on Earth and Life Studies
          Division of Behavioral and Social Sciences and Education
          National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine

          The Committee was impressed by the strength, breadth, and quality of the science
          presented in the draft NCA4. The draft report provides a thorough and accurate discussion of the
          predominant aspects of climate change and its impacts, with reasonable reference to the peer reviewed
          literature.

          Comment


          • Originally posted by JustAGuy View Post

            Please..... Why on earth would any reasonable person want to waste time looking over the ill-informed opinions of climate change deniers?
            Please..... Why on earth would any reasonable person want to waste time looking over the ill-informed opinions of "anthropogenic "climate change propagandists?

            TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

            Comment


            • Originally posted by JustAGuy View Post
              More grist for the Denier Mill which grinds facts into opinions and opinions into fact.

              REVIEW OF THE DRAFT FOURTH NATIONAL CLIMATE ASSESSMENT

              CONTRIBUTORS:
              Board on Atmospheric Sciences and Climate
              Board on Environmental Change and Society
              Division on Earth and Life Studies
              Division of Behavioral and Social Sciences and Education
              National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine

              The Committee was impressed by the strength, breadth, and quality of the science
              presented in the draft NCA4. The draft report provides a thorough and accurate discussion of the
              predominant aspects of climate change and its impacts, with reasonable reference to the peer reviewed
              literature.
              Follow the funding. Far more is being paid for a priori findings in favor of ACC/AGW than for any real objective science. Like everyone else, scientists are doing their job based upon chasing a paycheck, in this case one that requires endorsement of the ideology and agenda of gorebot based ACC/AGW.

              I've already presented the chart showing (average) climate temperatures versus carbon dioxide levels over the past 4 billion years and they show no linkage or causative impact of CO2 upon atmospheric temperatures. If anything, just the opposite.
              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

              Comment


              • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                Please..... Why on earth would any reasonable person want to waste time looking over the ill-informed opinions of "anthropogenic "climate change propagandists?
                Just follow your misguided and not-too-intelligent leader no matter what:

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
                We are not now that strength which in old days
                Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

                Comment


                • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                  Please..... Why on earth would any reasonable person want to waste time looking over the ill-informed opinions of "anthropogenic "climate change propagandists?
                  Seriously? More grist for the Denial Mill.

                  https://youtu.be/plReQcO6sz0

                  https://youtu.be/X1Sa52DpMCs?t=29

                  Comment


                  • Originally posted by JustAGuy View Post

                    [SIZE=14px][U][B][COLOR=#FF0000]Again,... There is an important difference between short-term weather events and climate. ....

                    EDIT FOR BREVITY ....

                    What Climate Means
                    In short, climate is the description of the long-term pattern of weather in a particular area.

                    Some scientists define climate as the average weather for a particular region and time period, usually taken over 30-years. It's really an average pattern of weather for a particular region.

                    When scientists talk about climate, they're looking at averages of precipitation, temperature, humidity, sunshine, wind velocity, phenomena such as fog, frost, and hail storms, and other measures of the weather that occur over a long period in a particular place.

                    For example, after looking at rain gauge data, lake and reservoir levels, and satellite data, scientists can tell if during a summer, an area was drier than average. If it continues to be drier than normal over the course of many summers, than it would likely indicate a change in the climate."
                    Note that a "30 year" pattern is the bare likely indicator, will usually need much longer time-spans to truly determine a trend.
                    Also note the "particular place" and "region" qualifiers above.

                    Depending whom you want to go with, Earth has either about a dozen or 14 climates zones/bands in each of Northern and Southern hemispheres. What is optimal for one isn't always so for others.

                    See the source imageHawaii has 10 of the world's 14 climate zones: An explorer's guide to each of them

                    https://www.hawaiimagazine.com/conte...uide-each-them
                    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

                    Comment


                    • Originally posted by Massena View Post

                      Just follow your misguided and not-too-intelligent leader no matter what:

                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
                      So you would rather see the world's AVERAGE climates on a cooling trend towards another Ice Age?

                      You want to reduce CO2 levels below that needed to barely sustain 99+% of Earth's biomass?

                      Why are you so against Life on this planet?

                      Please note I've objected to the false science and political/ideology agenda of ACC/AGW from long before DJT became POTUS. ( As suggested, go back to the first page and posts here from nearly four years ago, not to mention the many other related threads on this forum.)

                      Meanwhile, how's it working out being one of Hillary Clinton's flying monkeys?

                      Last edited by G David Bock; 27 Nov 18, 17:04. Reason: spellin'
                      TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

                      Comment


                      • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                        Note that a "30 year" pattern is the bare likely indicator, will usually need much longer time-spans to truly determine a trend.
                        Also note the "particular place" and "region" qualifiers above.

                        Depending whom you want to go with, Earth has either about a dozen or 14 climates zones/bands in each of Northern and Southern hemispheres. What is optimal for one isn't always so for others.

                        See the source imageHawaii has 10 of the world's 14 climate zones: An explorer's guide to each of them

                        https://www.hawaiimagazine.com/conte...uide-each-them
                        From my post 634.

                        "Solar output changes and internal natural variability can only contribute marginally to the observed changes in climate over the last century, and there is no convincing evidence for natural cycles in the observational record that could explain the observed changes in climate. "

                        Comment


                        • Originally posted by JustAGuy View Post

                          Do you sincerely believe your opinion has greater weight than the scientific findings of the two reports in question? Yes or No?
                          Point missed by you and many other gorebots posting here is that as citizens, voters, and taxpayers we have vested interests in wanting to know those we elect to office have a clue on what they are funding(with our money) and those whom are guv'mint employees are really looking out for best interests of this nation rather than putting in time collecting a paycheck, benefits, and racking up points for retirement.

                          Meanwhile, both you and Massena come across as the sort whom would mix ammonia with bleach to make a better cleaning solution.
                          TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

                          Comment


                          • Originally posted by JustAGuy View Post

                            Please..... Why on earth would any reasonable person want to waste time looking over the ill-informed opinions of climate change deniers?
                            If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles. - Sun Tzu

                            Comment


                            • Originally posted by JustAGuy View Post

                              From my post 634.

                              "Solar output changes and internal natural variability can only contribute marginally to the observed changes in climate over the last century, and there is no convincing evidence for natural cycles in the observational record that could explain the observed changes in climate. "
                              Likewise there is no convincing data, evidence or "reproducing experiments" showing slightly increased (human caused)CO2 levels are the major or sole cause.
                              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

                              Comment


                              • Originally posted by JustAGuy View Post

                                Do you sincerely believe your opinion has greater weight than the scientific findings of the two reports in question? Yes or No?
                                No. I believe my informed opinion has just as much validity as their informed opinion. I've worked around and with enough engineers and scientists to know the bulk of them are no better informed or capable at what they do than I would be in many cases.

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X