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  • Originally posted by BorderRuffian View Post
    I wonder... many Daddy Big-Bucks/Global Warming advocates have investments in China and India?
    What is Daddy Big-Buck?

    I am sure anyone rich who stands to make financial gains from a pro standpoint is so, just like those who stand to gain from anti-standpoint is anti. That's how you make money after all.
    Wisdom is personal


    • Recent at WUWT;
      Solar Update June 2017–the sun is slumping and headed even lower

      According to Svensmark’s theory, the neutron flux, with its effect on cloud cover and thus the Earth’s albedo, is one of the bigger climate drivers. For Solar Cycle 24, the neutron flux duly turned around and starting rising again in 2015, one year after solar maximum. It is a safe bet that the neutron flux is heading for a record high at solar minimum (+ one year) relative to the instrumental record.

      The last weak solar cycle was Solar Cycle 20 which caused the 1970s Cooling Period. From the same stage in that cycle the neutron count flattened out to minimum. That could happen for Solar Cycle 24 but it is more likely to keep rising to minimum as 23 did and thus we can expect a count, at the end, of over 7,000.

      Of course, lots of graphs in the link.


      • California: 8 feet of snow still on the ground in June


        • Climates change. That is nature's way. Man, so far, is incapable of doing anything about it. Therefore, our goal must be to start working on how to live with the change, NOT how to stop it - which we cannot.

          We're trading witchcraft, alchemy and sorcery for realistic solutions, and it's going to be our death knell.
          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?


          • Definitive Refutation


            To me, this says it all.
            The Great Global Warming Swindle is one hours and 15 minutes long, and refutes all of the points made by the Global Warming syndicates.
            20 minutes in, the Carbon Conspiracy is laid bare.

            I don't believe that this will have any effect on the true believers or the tens of thousands of people who make their living off this industry/scam... but anyone with a scientific, inquiring mind really ought to have a look at it.

            The credentials are clearly outlined for everyone in this documentary.


            • Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
              There's a reason DoD rhymes with God...
              And why "wit" rhymes with ...

              If there is a God, then it must be His plan, and therefore not for mere mortals to concern themselves with or try to fix. OTH...if there isn't...
              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?


              • Here's the best hysteria I've seen in a while. Written by a Leftist nut job with nada for scientific background...


                It is, I promise, worse than you think. If your anxiety about global warming is dominated by fears of sea-level rise, you are barely scratching the surface of what terrors are possible, even within the lifetime of a teenager today. And yet the swelling seas — and the cities they will drown — have so dominated the picture of global warming, and so overwhelmed our capacity for climate panic, that they have occluded our perception of other threats, many much closer at hand. Rising oceans are bad, in fact very bad; but fleeing the coastline will not be enough.
                Indeed, absent a significant adjustment to how billions of humans conduct their lives, parts of the Earth will likely become close to uninhabitable, and other parts horrifically inhospitable, as soon as the end of this century.
                Even when we train our eyes on climate change, we are unable to comprehend its scope. This past winter, a string of days 60 and 70 degrees warmer than normal baked the North Pole,...
                This hysteriafest just keeps going and going, like an Energizer Bunny.

                If it isn't the rise of the oceans drowning you, its...

                The heat...

                At seven degrees of warming, that would become impossible for large portions of the planet’s equatorial band, and especially the tropics, where humidity adds to the problem; in the jungles of Costa Rica, for instance, where humidity routinely tops 90 percent, simply moving around outside when it’s over 105 degrees Fahrenheit would be lethal. And the effect would be fast: Within a few hours, a human body would be cooked to death from both inside and out.
                Guess this guy has never been to Phoenix in the Monsoon, or Houston in say.... January...

                Or starvation...

                The droughts in the American plains and Southwest would not just be worse than in the 1930s, a 2015 NASA study predicted, but worse than any droughts in a thousand years — and that includes those that struck between 1100 and 1300, which “dried up all the rivers East of the Sierra Nevada mountains” and may have been responsible for the death of the Anasazi civilization.
                Yep, I'm sure the Colorado river dried up...

                Or, a biblical plague...

                There are now, trapped in Arctic ice, diseases that have not circulated in the air for millions of years — in some cases, since before humans were around to encounter them. Which means our immune systems would have no idea how to fight back when those prehistoric plagues emerge from the ice.
                Or, the atmosphere will do something horrible like Venus...

                The fraction of carbon dioxide is growing: It just crossed 400 parts per million, and high-end estimates extrapolating from current trends suggest it will hit 1,000 ppm by 2100. At that concentration, compared to the air we breathe now, human cognitive ability declines by 21 percent.
                That's if the pollution doesn't kill you first...

                Already, more than 10,000 people die each day from the small particles emitted from fossil-fuel burning; each year, 339,000 people die from wildfire smoke, in part because climate change has extended forest-fire season
                And, let's not forget that Gorebal Warming causes war...

                But researchers like Marshall Burke and Solomon Hsiang have managed to quantify some of the non-obvious relationships between temperature and violence: For every half-degree of warming, they say, societies will see between a 10 and 20 percent increase in the likelihood of armed conflict.
                And, from the same researchers that brought you the Gorebal Warming = War comes the collapse of capitalism and economies...

                The most exciting research on the economics of warming has also come from Hsiang and his colleagues, who are not historians of fossil capitalism but who offer some very bleak analysis of their own: Every degree Celsius of warming costs, on average, 1.2 percent of GDP (an enormous number, considering we count growth in the low single digits as “strong”). This is the sterling work in the field, and their median projection is for a 23 percent loss in per capita earning globally by the end of this century (resulting from changes in agriculture, crime, storms, energy, mortality, and labor).
                And of course, the Oceans will rise, and everything in them dies...

                That the sea will become a killer is a given. Barring a radical reduction of emissions, we will see at least four feet of sea-level rise and possibly ten by the end of the century. A third of the world’s major cities are on the coast, not to mention its power plants, ports, navy bases, farmlands, fisheries, river deltas, marshlands, and rice-paddy empires, and even those above ten feet will flood...

                ...Ocean acidification will fry fish populations directly,...

                ...Carbon absorption can initiate a feedback loop in which underoxygenated waters breed different kinds of microbes that turn the water still more “anoxic,” first in deep ocean “dead zones...
                And, we close out with the fools wondering why everyone doesn't get it...

                So why can’t we see it? In his recent book-length essay The Great Derangement, the Indian novelist Amitav Ghosh wonders why global warming and natural disaster haven’t become major subjects of contemporary fiction — why we don’t seem able to imagine climate catastrophe, and why we haven’t yet had a spate of novels in the genre he basically imagines into half-existence and names “the environmental uncanny.”
                May, you idiots should look at the results of what all those you're quoting have gotten to date. The models have proven wildly inaccurate. Not one prediction the UNPCC has made has come to pass. In fact many have been proven totally wrong.


                • ^ Above is even more a mussing to read in the original New Yorker version with the Tiffany ad showing in the margin.

                  So here's another exert, citing Jim "hockey stick data fraud" Hansen and his "science" start;
                  " Hansen began his career studying Venus, which was once a very Earth-like planet with plenty of life-supporting water before runaway climate change rapidly transformed it into an arid and uninhabitable sphere enveloped in an unbreathable gas;..."

                  Actually, while Venus is near Earth sized, we know too little to claim it was once "Earth-like". With a retrograde axial rotation, a spin that is opposite what it should be per angular momentum, giving a slow day of nearly two orbits duration, there is every indication that Venus experienced an impact or close encounter event that physically flipped the planet - which would better explain the high temperatures and harsh atmosphere composition.

                  If we exclude di-hydrous oxide (H2O) which is the real and major "greenhouse gas", the remaining ones, CO2 and methane, work out to one part versus 2,499 other parts of Nitrogen, Oxygen, etc. and the temporary, limited heat retained(delayed) by these components are not enough to increase the other 2,499 parts. If it were a real concern (and one we could actually affect) planting more flora would be a better, more effective and efficient solution than trying to reduce emmissions.

                  Better solution yet would be if everyone whom believes in anthropogenic climate change would stop exhaling CO2 and Methane, hence provide the emmission reductions they advocate.


                  • Here's another indicator of what little we know of our planet and its environments;

                    The giant undersea rivers we know very little about
                    Far below the surface of the sea, the seabed is being scoured by rivers of sediment that can flow thousands of miles from land.


                    • EXCERPT:
                      Much of recent global warming has been fabricated by climate scientists to make it look more frightening, a study has found.

                      The peer-reviewed study by two scientists and a veteran statistician looked at the global average temperature datasets (GAST) which are used by climate alarmists to argue that recent years have been “the hottest evah” and that the warming of the last 120 years has been dramatic and unprecedented.

                      What they found is that these readings are “totally inconsistent with published and credible U.S. and other temperature data.”

                      That is, the adjusted data used by alarmist organizations like NASA, NOAA, and the UK Met Office differs so markedly from the original raw data that it cannot be trusted.

                      For those whom "object" to Breitbart as a "source" and whom can't figure out how to click on the underlined link above, here is the original pdf research paper;


                      • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                        I suspect they want immunity from civil law suits when they put some environmental action up that harms the economy of some nation.
                        Either they believe or they don't. Don't do the crime if they can't face the time. Everybody wants immunity from something.

                        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?


                        • Since some give him more credability than he's earned;
                          Bill Nye Just Gave The Stupidest Definition of ‘Science’ Ever
                          On Tuesday, Bill Nye, The Science Guy Who Is Not A Scientist, decided to define what science is with one badly-considered aphorism:

                          CBS This Morning @CBSThisMorning
                          "Science is the belief you can solve the problem." --@BillNye #MondayMotivation
                          6:19 AM - 10 Jul 2017



                          • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                            Since some give him more credability than he's earned;
                            Bill Nye Just Gave The Stupidest Definition of ‘Science’ Ever
                            On Tuesday, Bill Nye, The Science Guy Who Is Not A Scientist, decided to define what science is with one badly-considered aphorism:

                            CBS This Morning @CBSThisMorning
                            "Science is the belief you can solve the problem." --@BillNye #MondayMotivation
                            6:19 AM - 10 Jul 2017

                            He was talking about "science" as it's practiced today in the Liberal Arts... Like:

                            Ancient astronauts
                            Flat Earthers
                            Global flood geology
                            Free energy and Zero point energy
                            Aryan Physics
                            Gender studies


                            • Gore spreading more disinformation ...
                              Gore compares climate fight to slavery, gay rights & apartheid at Aussie summit

                              Other speakers at the summit tied climate “solutions” to social causes. Climate activists admitted that “Carbon Neutral” goals were being used to achieve “gender & social equity.”

                              Johanna Partin spoke about the CNCA or Carbon Neutral Cities Alliance. In her talk, she clearly stated a key “mission” of going “carbon neutral” was to “increase gender and social equity.”

                              Partin joins many other climate activists who are using the man-made global warming scare to advance other agendas that have nothing to do with climate.

                              Author Naomi Klein, author of the new book “This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. The Climate”, admitted during the 2014 People’s Climate March in New York City activists would be caling for the same “solutions” even if there was no climate “crisis.” She was asked, “Even if climate change issue did not exist, you would be calling for same structural changes?” Klein responded: ‘Yeah.’

                              Following the panel, Climate Depot asked Klein if she would support all the same climate “solutions” even if the science was wrong.

                              “Yes, I would still be for social justice even if there was not climate change. Yes, you caught me Marc,” Klein answered sarcastically as she abruptly ended the interview. [Also see: EU Commissioner: Global Warming Policy Is Right Even If Science Is Wrong ] Klein told the activists she recommended “weaving this [climate] movement into all of our movements.” (Also See: Warmist Naomi Klein: ‘Capitalism is irreconcilable with a livable climate’ – Facing climate change head-on means changing capitalism & See: Warmist Naomi Klein: ‘Dealing with the climate crisis will require a completely different economic system’


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