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  • Edited post.
    Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
    Bill Nye’s Embarrassing Face-off
    I noticed you were unable to cope with the fact that water vapour is diminishing and temperatures are rising.

    1. Water vapour is the major climate gas effecting temperature. It is natural, and completely H2O.

    2. Water vapour in the Earths atmosphere is falling. You have posted the evidence yourself.

    3. If natural water vapour is reducing in the Earths atmosphere, the Earths temperature should be falling. It is not.

    4. All else being considered, if the natural reason for global warming should mean temperatures fall, then unnatural/artificial reasons are meaning the world is warming, and at an alarming rate.

    5. This means man is effecting the environment.
    How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic: http://grist.org/series/skeptics/
    Global Warming & Climate Change Myths: https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

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    • Originally posted by Nick the Noodle
      This is why you need to be put permanently on ignore:
      Even if there is only a 1% chance that the Gorebots are right, or even a 0.1% or 0.01% chance, this is the only planet we've got. We simply cannot take any chances.

      Personally I don't believe you have offspring. No decent parent would take a even a 0.1% chance of screwing with their childrens future.
      Sure we can. Just because there's a slight chance the climate will shift a degree or two doesn't mean life, or even humanity, will end on this planet.

      Personally, I think we should be investing far more heavily in getting off this rock and becoming the cockroaches of the universe.

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      • Originally posted by Nick the Noodle View Post
        Edited post.I noticed you were unable to cope with the fact that water vapour is diminishing and temperatures are rising.

        1. Water vapour is the major climate gas effecting temperature. It is natural, and completely H2O.

        2. Water vapour in the Earths atmosphere is falling. You have posted the evidence yourself.

        3. If natural water vapour is reducing in the Earths atmosphere, the Earths temperature should be falling. It is not.

        4. All else being considered, if the natural reason for global warming should mean temperatures fall, then unnatural/artificial reasons are meaning the world is warming, and at an alarming rate.

        5. This means man is effecting the environment.
        You fail to grasp that there are numerous factors that effect climate and that climate is a dynamic that is always in flux;
        Climatehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate
        The water cycle means that vapor content in the atmosphere is also in flux, for a variety of reasons. For that matter, clouds being water and "dust" bonded, the water content could be considered liquid form rather than gas(vapor). Precipitation amounts also need to be gauged as part of the flux.
        Waterhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water

        Meanwhile the question remains, how have you adjusted your personal lifestyle to conform to your beliefs regarding ACC/AGW?
        TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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        • Dr. Tim Ball;
          " My latest book, ‘Human Caused Global Warming. The Biggest Deception in History’ is an abbreviated, illustrated, version for those overwhelmed by the science. Its production was triggered by the exploitation of the fact that 80 percent of the population are arts oriented."
          Website:
          http://drtimball.com/
          EXCERPT:
          This website is committed to helping people understand the world and the way it works. Lack of understanding allows those with a political agenda to exploit people. This was the case with the necessary new paradigm of environmentalism as Gould’s comment anticipated. Without understanding natural processes you can’t identify human induced changes. You are vulnerable to the claim that all natural changes are unnatural, which is occurring daily in the mainstream media.

          Education was always about indoctrinating children to think the way the powerful in society wanted. This was done openly and primarily centered on a religious belief. Now the indoctrination is denied because they claim education is not about religion. In fact, it is about the new religion of environmentalism that is being used to create equally, if not more indoctrinated, young minds. Few parents have any idea what their children are learning in the schools. It is not the wide ranging, free thinking, investigative experience they think.

          One way this is apparent is in the movement of young people through the education system. Historically they entered university and challenged the prevailing wisdoms. Now they come fully indoctrinated with environmentalism that ignores facts, manufactures false information and blames humans for everything. It is significant that challenges come from much older people who know and understand the fallacies. Everyone knows that information is power, but it’s exploitation of power that has allowed a few to control and manipulate people.
          ...
          Climatology is a generalist discipline in a world of specialization. Even a basic understanding requires integration of almost everything from cosmic radiation from space to volcanic heat on the bottom of the ocean and everything in between. It is almost impossible to leave anything out as those who try to produce simulations through climate models understand or ignore depending upon their objective.

          Knowledge is valuable but only if it improves the human condition. As a consequence, beyond understanding the generalist nature of climate I am especially interested in how it affects all aspects of human existence. This website will examine a wide variety of topics about the way the environment affects humans and the way humans affect the environment. We’re in an information revolution because the Internet is democratizing information.
          ...
          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          An interesting source for the truly objective minded.
          TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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          • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
            You fail to grasp that there are numerous factors that effect climate and that climate is a dynamic that is always in flux;
            Climatehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate
            No I don't.

            The single natural mechanism that should determine climate temperature is at odds with what is happening.

            Water vapour is diminishing thus so should climate temperature.

            Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
            The water cycle means that vapor content in the atmosphere is also in flux, for a variety of reasons. For that matter, clouds being water and "dust" bonded, the water content could be considered liquid form rather than gas(vapor). Precipitation amounts also need to be gauged as part of the flux.
            Waterhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water
            Water vapour is in decline. Therefore the planets temperature should be as well. It is basic science.
            Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
            Meanwhile the question remains, how have you adjusted your personal lifestyle to conform to your beliefs regarding ACC/AGW?
            As an individual I can't do much. I do make sure that I recycle everything I can.

            The natural means of climate change means the planets average temperature should be falling. Its not. That is all I need to know about whether AGW is real or not.
            How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic: http://grist.org/series/skeptics/
            Global Warming & Climate Change Myths: https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

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            • Originally posted by Nick the Noodle View Post
              No I don't.

              The single natural mechanism that should determine climate temperature is at odds with what is happening.

              Water vapour is diminishing thus so should climate temperature.


              Water vapour is in decline. Therefore the planets temperature should be as well. It is basic science.
              As an individual I can't do much. I do make sure that I recycle everything I can.

              The natural means of climate change means the planets average temperature should be falling. Its not. That is all I need to know about whether AGW is real or not.
              The only "single natural mechanism" of consequence is the Sun and it's energy output. Once again, climate is a matrix of many causes/factor, some we don't know of or fully yet.

              You fail to grasp that total water on this planet surface remains the same and in flux from ice to liquid to vapor and that liquid in cloud formations also counts for heat retention. Also, the "planet's" temourature is more than just atmospheric, REAL basic science

              As an individual you can do a lot to show you the moral integrity of your convictions. Don't use energy to heat or warm your home. Don't purchase products in plastic packaging. Don't use electricity for light or entertainment devices. Remove yourself and family from the consumer consumption process. Stop exhaling carbon dioxide!
              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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              • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                The only "single natural mechanism" of consequence is the Sun and it's energy output. Once again, climate is a matrix of many causes/factor, some we don't know of or fully yet.

                You fail to grasp that total water on this planet surface remains the same and in flux from ice to liquid to vapor and that liquid in cloud formations also counts for heat retention. Also, the "planet's" temourature is more than just atmospheric, REAL basic science

                As an individual you can do a lot to show you the moral integrity of your convictions. Don't use energy to heat or warm your home. Don't purchase products in plastic packaging. Don't use electricity for light or entertainment devices. Remove yourself and family from the consumer consumption process. Stop exhaling carbon dioxide!
                Bold is mine.

                If you don't know the reason for global warming, and no one currently knows the full picture, why are you so sure that one stance is right or wrong?

                All I can be definitely sure about is that the known major natural means of global warming, ie water vapour, is in decline. The world should be cooling if only natural forces were at work.

                Therefore, unnatural/artificial forces, ie man made, are to blame to temperatures staying high and climbing.

                How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic: http://grist.org/series/skeptics/
                Global Warming & Climate Change Myths: https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

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                • Trump signs order sweeping away Obama-era climate policies

                  http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...vyF?li=BBnb7Kz


                  YEAH!
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                  • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                    Sure we can. Just because there's a slight chance the climate will shift a degree or two doesn't mean life, or even humanity, will end on this planet.
                    We are no way near the level of cockroaches as indicator of species survivability.
                    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                    Personally, I think we should be investing far more heavily in getting off this rock and becoming the cockroaches of the universe.
                    Until thousands can get off this rock to a survivable planet, we need to keep this one habitable.
                    How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic: http://grist.org/series/skeptics/
                    Global Warming & Climate Change Myths: https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

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                    • Global temperatures plummet...

                      Global temperatures plummet...

                      Another Arctic ice panic over as world temperatures plummet

                      EXCERPT:
                      Inevitably, when even satellite temperatures were showing 2016 as “the hottest year on record”, we were going to be told last winter that the Arctic ice was at its lowest extent ever. Sure enough, before Christmas, a report from the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration was greeted with such headlines as “Hottest Arctic on record triggers massive ice melt”. In March we had the BBC trumpeting another study that blamed vanishing Arctic ice as the cause of weather which led to the worst-ever smog in Beijing, warning that it “could even threaten the Beijing Winter Olympics in 2022”.

                      But last week we were brought back to earth by the Danish Meteorological Institute (DMI), as charted by our friend Paul Homewood on his blog Notalotofpeopleknowthat, with the news that ever since December temperatures in the Arctic have consistently been lower than minus 20 C. In April the extent of Arctic sea ice was back to where it was in April 13 years ago. Furthermore, whereas in 2008 most of the ice was extremely thin, this year most has been at least two metres thick. The Greenland ice cap last winter increased in volume faster than at any time for years.

                      As for those record temperatures brought in 2016 by an exceptionally strong El Niño, the satellites now show that in recent months global temperatures have plummeted by more that 0.6 degrees: just as happened 17 years ago after a similarly strong El Niño had also made 1998 the “hottest year on record”.

                      This means the global temperature trend has now shown no further warming for 19 years. But the BBC won’t be telling us any of this. And we are still stuck with that insanely damaging Climate Change Act, which in this election will scarcely get a mention.
                      ...
                      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...tures-plummet/


                      Sorry, one has to "register" to read the full article.

                      BTW, as I wrote this, heard on the radio news that temperatures are about ten degrees cooler this year in USA midwest, having severe impact on this years grain and other crops.
                      TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                      • Paper: 'Earth On Course For 100-Year Mini-Ice Age'...

                        Paper: 'Earth On Course For 100-Year Mini-Ice Age'...
                        EXCERPTS:
                        ICE AGE BRITAIN: River Thames will FREEZE OVER on ‘this date’ – and could kill millions

                        By: Rob Bushway - Climate DepotMay 8, 2017 8:59 AM
                        http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/late...change-weather

                        A GLOBAL cool down will “march in with vengeance” to usher in a 100-year mini-ice age that could freeze over the River Thames, climate scientists told Daily Star Online.
                        Paper: ‘Earth On Course For 100-Year Mini-Ice Age’
                        By: Rob Bushway - Climate DepotMay 8, 2017 8:59 AM
                        Shock research shows that changes in ocean conditions could cause temperatures to nose dive to levels not seen for more than 120,000 years.
                        ....

                        Research shows a natural cooling cycle that occurs every 230 years began in 2014 and will send temperatures plummeting even further by 2019.

                        Scientists are also expecting a “huge reduction” in solar activity for 33 years between 2020 and 2053 that will cause thermometers to crash.

                        Both cycles suggest Earth is entering a global cooling cycle that could have devastating consequences for global economy, human life and society as we know it.
                        ...
                        http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/05/...-mini-ice-age/
                        http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/late...climate-change
                        Last edited by G David Bock; 09 May 17, 15:48.
                        TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                        • The real truth about CO2 increase. The Earth is greener then ever as it supports more people then ever.
                          http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/a-...rticle/2622479
                          “Breaking News,”

                          “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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                          • Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
                            The real truth about CO2 increase. The Earth is greener then ever as it supports more people then ever.
                            http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/a-...rticle/2622479
                            Yup!
                            99+% of the biomass, the Flora of Earth, rejoices in an environment that encourages it's growth and expansion. The more the Flora prospers, the more we 1%ers of Fauna will prosper (and be feed).

                            I'd rather be "Warmning away from an Ice Age, than cooling towards one."
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                            • Can we say YUGE Carbon Footprint and hypocrisy ??? !!!
                              Obama Uses Private Jet, 14 Car Convoy to Get to European Climate Change Speech
                              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                              • Unnamed Media Sources: Trump will withdraw from the Paris climate pact

                                http://www.gopusa.com/?p=25161?omhide=true
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